Conversation: Where are the Pope and Bishops in Scripture

October 2, 2009


Q. Where is the acknowledgment of the apostolic church as presented in these writings of the position claimed for Peter?

A. In the early Church there were all three ordained offices of the Catholic Church that we have today (Deacons, Priests, Bishops). They were called by different names but the offices were in existence and are designated in Acts 6:5 and Acts 15 at the first Church Council and elsewhere in the New Testament.

Q. I cannot find the use of Deacon, Priest or Bishop in Acts 6:5.

A. The establishment of the office of Deacon is in Acts 6:1-6. This I was taught as a Protestant.

Q. Where is the hierarchy in Acts 15? I’m missing it.

A. First, we have Peter at the council who stood up and settled the dispute, made the POPE or Vicar of Christ in Matthew 16:17-19.

Q. Providing the evidence that answered the question the council was debating is not the same as making the ultimate decision, just as in a court of law the judge listens to all the evidence and then makes a decision, not the witness who provides the pertinent evidence influencing the decision.

A. Paul and Barnabas were bringing the evidence of their experience to the Church at Jerusalem. Peter was not a witness. He was one of the pillars of the Church in Jerusalem. Paul submits his teaching to him and the other apostles in Jerusalem in

Galations 2:1-2 Then after an interval of fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along also. It was because of a revelation that I went up; and I submitted to them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but I did so in private to those who were of reputation, for fear that I might be running, or had run, in vain.

. Peter gave his decision regarding the debate and James the bishop of Jerusalem made practical application of Peter’s decision exactly as it is still done in the Church today.

Then, also present at the first Church Council were the apostles who became the first BISHOPS ( Gr. Episkopos) in the Church. There are many other New Testament passages that mention the office of bishop or overseer.

Q. A church is a body of believers who have banded together just as we are instructed in Hebrews 10:25, and just like any earthly organization to operate effectively the duties and responsibilities are split up, this is a work of the Holy Spirit as the Spirit assigns gifts to each one. In each body different positions exist for the good of the body, such as Pastor/Teacher, Elder, Deacon, etc. That does not mean that all bodies of believers are answering to the same leadership except that of Jesus Christ.

A. This is the Protestant theory of leadership but in reality and in the final analysis each man decides for himself what he believes according to what he reads in scripture. The Catholic Church just has one pope but the Protestants have millions of popes.

Q. The term translated as Bishop means overseer of a church and can you show me in the N/T where this term is ever used to describe a specific individual, such as Peter?

A. No, but we know they ordained bishops. Do you believe you can prove no bishops were ever ordained? Yes, their function is an overseer of the local Church. We call them Bishops. You call them overseers but their office exists in scripture.

Acts 1:20
For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

Q. This is commonly translated as “his work”. To have designated Judas to have actually been a Bishop in the Church has to be wrong as technically the church did not exist pre-Calvary.

A. That is not a translation but an interpretation. Judas had been ordained to an office and his successor needed to be appointed. This was decided by none other than the first Pope, Peter.

And, as an aside, Peter also pronounced and freed the Christian Church from the obligation of circumcision. That was a pretty big deal, especially for the Jewish Christians. Can you imagine the nerve of Peter to abrogate something instituted “forever” by God? Unless, everyone knew, Jesus Himself had given Peter this authority.

Phil. 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

1 Timothy 3:1-2
This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Titus 1:7
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

1 Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

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Blessed Enrique Saiz Aparicio, October 2

October 2, 2009

Enrico Saiz Aparicio

Blessed Enrique Saiz Aparicio, Salesian Priest and Martyr
Ubierna December 1, 1889 – Carabachel Alto (Madrid), October 2, 1936

He was born in Ubierna (Burgos) on December 1, 1889 and was baptized the following day. At 16, feeling the inclination to the religious and priestly life, he was admitted to the novitiate of Sarrià (Barcelona) and professed September 5, 1909. He was ordained at Salamanca, July 28, 1918. It was his field of apostolate colleges of Campello, Barcelona, Madrid and Salamanca, he was Director of Salamanca in Madrid, and then the student Theological Carabanchel Alto (Madrid), where he was surprised by the revolution. He distinguished himself for piety, zeal and dedication to the priesthood. Was more cautious, fatherly and understanding, while requiring the fulfillment of duty, which he gave the example. With sustained effort and continuous gained great amiability, constancy of character and spirit of mortification. Back in 1934, feeling closer to the revolution, he was preparing the minds of his martyrdom. On July 20, 1936 the House of Carabanchel Alto was attacked by militants. Don Enrique offered to die for everyone, but his offer was not accepted. All were jailed and destined for death. Then put back in freedom, the Servant of God sought a shelter for each and continued his interest in the fate of all. October 2, 1936, the militia, knowing the Priest, imprisoned him, and around 10 in the evening shot him. He was Beatified October 28, 2007.

In the vast inhuman massacre that was the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939), the number of victims exceeded one million, striking persons of every class and every faith. By now, historians have recognized that within this terrible massacre, in the territories then called “red zone” in the hands of anarchists and the social community, there was a real persecution against Christians. The lay faithful only because Christians, were killed tens of thousands massacred and 4148 diocesan priests, 12 bishops, 283 nuns, 2365 religious (priests and brothers) for a total so far acknowledged that martyrs 6808 with destruction of many churches. Religious Every family gave its toll with a more or less high number of victims: the family of the Salesians of Don Bosco in this list is present with 97 members, belonging to three flourishing ‘ provinces’ of the Salesians and a ‘inspectors’ of the Daughters of Mary Help of Christians, divided as follows: 39 priests, 26 assistants, 22 clerks, 5 Salesian cooperators, 3 prospective Salesians and the Daughters of Mary Help. Salesian Martyrs are grouped into three local families: Valencia, Seville and Madrid. Those of Valencia were declared blessed in 2001.


The group of 42 martyrs of Madrid, is the largest headed by Salesian priest, Don Enrique Saiz Aparicio, who was born in the Ubierna on December 1, 1889 in the province of Burgos. He spent his childhood amid significant family difficulties, which affected the formation of his character, after having attended Salesian studying some houses, he made his first profession in 1909 in Barcelona – Sarria. After his studies in philosophy, he alternated his job as an educator between Salamanca and Madrid, excelling in literary qualities and no lack of evidence and concerns because of his tough character, even though he went dominating as he came closer to priestly ordination, which he received in 1918. There followed six years of intense activity between Salesian always Salamanca and Madrid, and was later first director of the College of Salamanca, and then those Carabauchel and Atocha in Madrid. His character changed completely becoming hard serene, charitable; he intensified his ascetic preparation, his spiritual direction, his inner life, his preaching in particular Eucharistic-Marian. And in the task of animating the Community and the aspirant Salesian Carabachel Alto on the outskirts of Madrid, he was surprised by the outbreak of the Civil War. Father Enrico Saiz Aparicio for some time seemed to have the martyrdom, in fact he told his brother: If God wanted me to Mars, back one step in front of the divine will; I will accept martyrdom with serenity . On the afternoon of July 20, 1936, The aspirant was stormed by gunmen red; Father Saiz gathered the kids in the hall and gave them his blessing Mary Help of Christians, then waved a white handkerchief headed toward the attackers, saying: “If you want blood, here I am. But you do not harm the boys. The aspirants were returned to their families and father and eight Salesians Saiz, with the usual tactics of the militia, were left free to be re-arrested outside the house and then eliminated one by one. Don Enrique Saiz was executed October 2, 1936, aged 47, the other Salesian martyrs, mostly young novices and students to Mohernando, were arrested during those six months at the end of 1936 and killed in varying days and places, a large group died December 6 1936. The blood of martyrs is the seed of new Christians and in the next 40 years, the Salesian Family, underwent a very large flowering of vocations to Salesian in Spain. The process for beatification of the 42 Salesian Martyrs in Madrid, began on December 7, 1957. Recently, this case was merged with that of the group of martyrs Salesians of Seville, formerly called Servant of God Antonio Luque and 20 Torrero comrades. The new joint process, thus including all 63 Martyrs Salesian in Madrid and Seville.


The beatification ceremony took place in Rome on 28 October 2007, under the pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI.

Author: Antonio Borrelli

Source: Santi e Beati


Muslim Cleric Opposes Co-Ed Classes at New Saudi University

October 1, 2009

5 Bob to CounterJihad for sharing the unsurprising news of opposition to coed classes in Saudi King’s new university. The King is faced with a credibility gap here; on one hand, he opens a “modern” university with state of the art technology and great opportunity to attempt to create a diverse economy in his oil-dependent country. On the other hand? Must not tamper with Mohammed’s edicts, whether they make sense any longer or not.

Saudi king’s university slammed for coed classes

A prominent Muslim cleric has criticized a new Saudi university launched by King Abdullah for allowing men and women to take classes together.

Sheik Saad Bin Naser al-Sheshri, who is a member of the powerful government-sanctioned Supreme Committee of (Islamic) Scholars, was quoted Wednesday in the Al-Watan daily as demanding an end to coed classes at the newly opened King Abdullah Science and Technology University.

“Mixing is a great sin and a great evil,” al-Sheshri was quoted as saying. “When men mix with women, their hearts burn and they will be diverted from their main goal (which is) … education.”

Al-Sheshri’s comments indicate there may be significant opposition to the country’s first fully integrated coed university among the kingdom’s powerful religious establishment.

The multibillion dollar postgraduate institution, which officially opened its doors to students last week, has been touted by King Abdullah as a “beacon of tolerance.” The school boasts state-of-the-art labs, the world’s 14th fastest supercomputer and one of the biggest endowments worldwide.

Saudi officials have envisaged the university as a key part of the kingdom’s plans to transform itself into a global scientific hub-its latest efforts to diversify its oil-reliant economy.

Al-Watan, which is owned by members of the royal family, accused al-Sheshri of trying to undermine Abdullah’s reforms and suggested such criticism breeds terrorism.

“This is what al-Qaida awaits as a pretext and justification” for its actions, the paper’s editor-in-chief, Jamal Kashukshi, said in an editorial.

Another pro-government daily, Al-Riyadh, also rejected al-Sheshri’s comments, describing them as “a creed which puts us behind the rest of the Muslim world.”


Saint Piato, October 1

October 1, 2009

St. Piato

San Piato, Tournai, Priest and Martyr
October 1

Roman Martyrology: At Seclin in Gallia Belgica, now in France, St. Piato, revered as a Priest, Evangelist and Martyr of the territory of Tournai.

The Roman Martyrology, 1 Oct., Says that Piato was a priest who, starting in Rome, arrived in Gaul, with Quentin and his companions, to preach the Gospel.

Having been assigned Tournai as a field of his apostolate, there he was martyred during the persecution of Maximin. This news comes from Usuard, which, by its wording, was inspired to passive Piatonis, which we discuss later, and says that Piato was fellow of St. Dionysius. The name of this saint is also found in some supplement to the martyrology Geronimo must add that in 1922 the Roman Martyrology and not including Piatonis Piata Piatonis or that it was the usual spelling.

However, wait until the seventh century. for historical information on the saint in question. In the Life of St. Eligius, Bishop of Noyon-Tournai, his disciple Remembrance (d. 684) – unless it is an interpolation of more recent times – said that he discovered the body of St. Eligius Quentin who had been martyred with nails and, after much effort, also found the body of Piato, in the village of Seclin (North) in the territory of Mélantois. The bishop showed the crowd the long nails that had also been extracted from the body of this martyr, was buried the remains and build a mausoleum.

In the sec. VI develops a tradition, still valid at the end of the century. VIII, that the Belgica II was evangelized by some martyrs: Victorian, Fusco, Quentin and Luciano, Crispin and Piato. At their departure from Rome with St. Dionysius of Paris and his comrades was ordained Priest and sent from this region of Tournai.

We need to come to sec. X to find the first biography of Piatano, but once again the editor has copied the Life of St. Lucian of Beauvais, subject to change. According to this account, Piato, after his sermon in the region of Tournai, was arrested by the prefect Rizio-launch (character created second Delehaye, by law) with Quentin and his justice: a sword to slice off the top of the skull.

We note that this passage makes no mention of execution for nails mentioned in the Life of St. Eligius, but adds that the martyr was buried in Seclin (North), near Lille, and his tomb was built a Basilica.

The law was later expanded, “Piato converted thirty thousand pagans. After the punishment the body of the Martyr saint arose, he took with his own hands on top of his head cut off, went from Tournai, and guided by angels, took the place of decapitation, until Seclin, where he was buried, Piato thus belongs the ranks of the saints cefalofori.

Piato became the patron saint of Tournai and his name is found in the ancient litanies. At the time of the Norman invasion, his relics were transferred to St-Omer (news that is disputed by F. Lot), then to Chartres and then to Tournai. The body was later returned to Seclin, but this is unlikely because at Chartres in sec. XII claimed to possess the whole body on the other hand a survey of the relics carried in Seclin in 1853 noted the existence of only a few bones.

At Chartres the casket of Piato underwent various vicissitudes: the seal in silver and decorated since 1750 was stolen during the Revolution and sent to Paris, while the relics remained in the cathedral. In the district of the city there is also a parish dedicated to this Martyr.

In the crypt beneath the choir of the collegiate church of Seclin and dating at best the SEC. XIII preserves a sarcophagus of the Gallo-Roman city that has been identified with the tomb of Piato.

It was also suggested that the Saints of Chartres and in Tournai owe their existence to a relic of St. Piato, Martyr of Andra.

Author: Rombaut Van Doren

Source: Santi e Beati