Was Jesus Confused about Who He Was?

Q. Was Jesus confused about who He was and what He was here for?

A. No. He always knew Who He was and what He was here for. He was NOT confused. However, there are many theologians who are confused. Jesus was fully God and fully man. He was divine and hypostatically united to the human nature received from His mother. If in trying to understand Jesus we start saying, “Jesus did not know He was God at first” or “Jesus did not know why He was here until such and such a time” or “He did not know he was God as an embryo” we DENY His Divine nature. By definition, Deity is all knowing. So if Jesus at any time at or after His incarnation was not all knowing he lacked a divine attribute and therefore would not have been FULLY GOD as well as fully man. Most of the early heresies involved wrong beliefs about Jesus.

    • Below is a sampling of some of the major heresies. Those related to our topic here are in bold.
      • Adoptionism– God granted Jesus powers and then adopted him as a Son. He was not eternally existent with the Father, He was adopted by the Father after testing at his baptism. (I used to believe this-no one taught it to me.)
      • Apollinarianism– Jesus’ divine will overshadowed and replaced the human.
      • Arianism – Jesus was a lesser, created being.
      • Docetism– Jesus was divine, but only seemed to be human.
      • Gnosticism – Dualism of good and bad and special knowledge for salvation.
      • Kenosis – Jesus gave up some divine attributes while on earth.
      • Modalism – God is one person in three modes. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit just three names for same, one person, God.
      • Monophysitism– Jesus had only one nature: divine. He was not fully human.
      • Nestorianism – Jesus was two persons. Mary did not give birth to God the Son
      • Socinianism – Denial of the Trinity. Jesus is a deified man.

As the Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

472 This human soul that the Son of God assumed is endowed with a true human knowledge. As such, this knowledge could not in itself be unlimited: it was exercised in the historical conditions of his existence in space and time. This is why the Son of God could, when he became man, “increase in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man”,101 and would even have to inquire for himself about what one in the human condition can learn only from experience.102 This corresponded to the reality of his voluntary emptying of himself, taking “the form of a slave”.103

473 But at the same time, this truly human knowledge of God’s Son expressed the divine life of his person.104 “The human nature of God’s Son, not by itself but by its union with the Word, knew and showed forth in itself everything that pertains to God.”105 Such is first of all the case with the intimate and immediate knowledge that the Son of God made man has of his Father.106 The Son in his human knowledge also showed the divine penetration he had into the secret thoughts of human hearts.107

474 By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal.108 What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.(Mark 13:32 & Acts 1:7)

One hundred years ago, Pope Pius the X, against the heresies of Modernism, clearly condemned the belief that Jesus did not always know who He was and what He was here for Lamentabili Sane #34 & 35

15 Responses to Was Jesus Confused about Who He Was?

  1. Robert says:

    An unfortunate impediment to modern belief in this ancient doctrine is the supposition that the statement, “Jesus knew He was God” is absurd. N.T. Wright, an otherwise orthodox Christian, dismisses it offhand, it seems to me, and favors a view that Jesus had faith that He was God, the sort of faith one has in living one’s vocation.

    This, of course, is absurd.

    But the question prompts development of doctrine. Did Jesus ever simply say, “I am God?” A look at the gospels shows that this is not Jesus’ manner of referring to His divinity. Rather, He always emphasizes His sonship.

    So the critics do raise a point which can be seen to be legitimate, basically, that it would be uncharacteristic for Jesus simply to express the proposition “I am God.”

    Dominican theologian Francoise Drefyus in his short book, “Did Jesus Know He Was God?” examines this question briefly and in an exemplary way.

    He concludes that for Jesus, knowledge of His relation to the Father was primary. Thus, in a direct and intuitive knowledge Jesus saw the Father, and in doing so, knew that He was the Son of the Father. It is a very nuanced, but also a very faithful development of the traditional doctrine on Christ’s knowledge of His own divinity. And if some people, especially moderns in touch with critical biblical scholarship, would object to directly saying “Jesus knew He was God,” they can be brought to understand what this proposition means by examining how Jesus knew His divinity by knowing that He was the Son of the Father.

    This will help us to understand this statement of the catechism which you quoted: “Such is first of all the case with the intimate and immediate knowledge that the Son of God made man has of his Father.” And also to understand the theological writings which influenced this very paragraph in the catechism.

    I can’t do Dreyfus’s discussion justice, and I highly recommend that anyone interested in the subject read it.

    Again, the influence of Dreyfus’s theology can be seen in the CDF’s correction of Jon Sobrino SJ. See section V. on the self-consciousness of Jesus, here:


    Here are some excerpts:

    “These citations do not clearly show the unique singularity of the filial relationship of Jesus with the Father; indeed they tend to exclude it. Considering the whole of the New Testament it is not possible to sustain that Jesus was “a believer like ourselves”. The Gospel of John speaks of Jesus’ “vision” of the Father: “Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father”.[20] This unique and singular intimacy between Jesus and the Father is equally evident in the Synoptic Gospels.[21]”

    “Jesus, the Incarnate Son of God, enjoys an intimate and immediate knowledge of his Father, a “vision” that certainly goes beyond the vision of faith. The hypostatic union and Jesus’ mission of revelation and redemption require the vision of the Father and the knowledge of his plan of salvation. This is what is indicated in the Gospel texts cited above.”

    It also contains more extensive citations of recent magisterium documents, from Pius XII in Mystici Corporis and JPII.


  2. Rod says:

    It’s probably thought to be a despicable movie especially here but out of curiosity many of us have seen it and the Jesus in the Last Temptation of Christ was confused about who he was. He says something like “I open my mouth and certain things come out” as in the scene where he comes into the stoning of a woman, Magdalene and says that bit about “Whoever has committed no sin throw the first stone” (paraphrased in the movie).

  3. arah says:

    Let me share the stories of Jesus messenger in the Quran.

    He Shall Speak to the People in Childhood and in Maturity

    Qur’an 3:45-51 Surah Ale-‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
    Behold! the angels said “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of Mary held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
    “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity and he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.”
    She said: “O my Lord! how shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?” He said: “Even so: Allah createth what He willeth; when He hath decreed a plan He but saith to it ‘Be’ and it is!
    “And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom the Law and the Gospel.
    “And (appoint him) an Apostle to the Children of Israel (with this message): I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I make for you out of clay as it were the figure of a bird and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave; and I heal those born blind and the lepers and I quicken the dead by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe.
    “(I have come to you) to attest the Law which was before me and to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah and obey me.
    “It is Allah who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a way that is straight.”

    Mary, the Daughter of ‘Imran, Guarded Her Chastity

    Qur’an 66:11-12 Surah At-Tahrim (Banning)
    And Allah sets forth as an example to those who believe the wife of Pharaoh: Behold she said: “O my Lord! build for me in nearness to Thee a mansion in the Garden and save me from Pharaoh and his doings and save me from those that do wrong”;
    And Mary the daughter of ‘Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into her (body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations and was one of the devout (Servants).

    The Similitude of Jesus Before Allah Is as That of Adam….”Be” and He Was

    Qur’an 3:59-63 Surah Ale-‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
    This similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam: He created him from dust then said to him: “Be” and he was.
    The truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
    If anyone disputes in this matter with thee now after (full) knowledge hath come to thee say: “Come! let us gather together our sons and your sons our women and your women ourselves and yourselves: then let us earnestly pray and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!”
    This is the true account: there is no god except Allah; and Allah He is indeed the Exalted in Power the Wise.
    But if they turn back Allah hath full knowledge of those who do mischief.

    Allah Too Planned and the Best of Planners Is Allah

    Qur’an 3:52-58 Surah Ale-‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
    When Jesus found unbelief on their part he said: “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the Disciples: “We are Allah’s helpers we believe in Allah and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.
    “Our Lord! we believe in what thou hast revealed and we follow the Apostle; then write us down among those who bear witness.”
    And (then unbelievers) plotted and planned and Allah too planned and the best of planners is Allah.
    Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject Faith to the Day of Resurrection; then shall ye all return unto Me and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
    “As to those who reject faith I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter nor will they have anyone to help.
    “As to those who believe and work righteousness Allah will pay them (in full) their reward; but Allah loveth not those who do wrong.
    “This is what We rehearse unto thee of the Signs and the Message of Wisdom.”

    They Killed Him Not Nor Crucified Him

    Qur’an 4:155-159 Surah An-Nisaa (The Women)
    (They have incurred divine displeasure): in that they broke their Covenant: that they rejected the Signs of Allah; that they slew the Messengers in defiance of right; that they said “Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah’s Word; we need no more)”; nay Allah hath set the seal on their hearts for their blasphemy and little is it they believe.
    That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge.
    That they said (in boast) “We killed Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of Allah”; but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not.
    Nay Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise.
    And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against them.

    Jesus Shall Be a Sign for the Coming of the Hour of Judgment

    Qur’an 43:57-67 Surah Az-Zukhruf (Gold Adornments)
    When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example behold thy people raise a clamor thereat (in ridicule)!
    And they say ” Are Our gods best or He?” This they set forth to thee only by way of disputation: yea they are a contentious people.
    He was no more than a servant: We granted Our favor to him and We made him an example to the Children of Israel.
    And if it were Our Will We could make angels from amongst you succeeding each other on the earth.
    And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour) but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.
    Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed.
    When Jesus came with Clear Signs he said: “Now have I come to you with Wisdom and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me.
    “For Allah; He is my Lord and your Lord: so worship ye Him: this is a Straight Way.”
    But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement: then woe to the wrongdoers from the Penalty of a Grievous Day!
    Do they only wait for the Hour that it should come on them all of a sudden while they perceive not?
    Friends on that Day will be foes one to another except the Righteous.

    O Allah Our Lord! Send Us from Heaven a Table Set

    Qur’an 5:112-115 Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)
    Behold! the disciples said: “O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?” Said Jesus: “Fear Allah if ye have faith.”
    They said: “We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle.
    Said Jesus the son of Mary: “O Allah our Lord! send us from heaven a table set (with viands) that there may be for us for the first and the last of us a solemn festival and a sign from Thee; and provide for our sustenance for Thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs).
    Allah said: “I will send it down unto you: but if any of you after that resisteth faith I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on anyone among all the peoples.

    Who Will Be My Helpers to the Work of Allah? Said the Disciples…

    Qur’an 61:14 Surah As-Saff (The Ranks)
    O ye who believe! be ye helpers of Allah: as said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples “Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?” Said the Disciples “We are Allah’s helpers!” Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed and a portion disbelieved: but We gave power to those who believed against their enemies and they became the ones that prevailed.

    Apostles Who Gave Good News as Well as Warning

    Qur’an 4:163-170 Surah An-Nisaa (The Women)
    We have sent thee (O Muhammad) inspiration as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him; We sent inspiration to Abraham Ismail Isaac Jacob and the Tribes to Jesus Job Jonah Aaron and Solomon and to David We gave the Psalms.
    Of some Apostles We have already told thee the story; of others We have not; and to Moses Allah spoke direct.
    Apostles who gave good news as well as warning that mankind after (the coming) of the Apostles should have no plea against Allah: for Allah is Exalted in Power Wise.
    But Allah beareth witness that what He hath sent unto thee He hath sent from His (Own) Knowledge and the angels bear witness: but enough is Allah for a Witness.
    Those who reject faith and keep off (men) from the way of Allah have verily strayed far far away from the path.
    Those who reject faith and do wrong Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any way.
    Except the way of Hell to dwell therein for ever: and this to Allah is easy.
    O mankind! the Apostle hath come to you in truth from Allah: believe in him: it is best for you. But if ye reject faith to Allah belong all things in the heavens and on earth: and Allah is All-Knowing All-Wise.

    No Difference Between One and Another of the Prophets of Allah

    Qur’an 2:135-141 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Heifer)
    They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (to salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the religion of Abraham the true and he joined not gods with Allah.”
    Say ye: “We believe in Allah and the revelation given to us and to Abraham Isma’il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes and that given to Moses and Jesus and that given to (all) Prophets from their Lord we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to Allah (in Islam).”
    So if they believe as ye believe they are indeed on the right path; but if they turn back it is they who are in schism; but Allah will suffice thee as against them and He is the All-Hearing the All-Knowing.
    (Our religion is) the baptism of Allah; and who can baptize better than Allah? and it is He whom we worship.
    Say: Will ye dispute with us about Allah seeing that He is our Lord and your Lord; that we are responsible for our doings and ye for yours; and that we are sincere (in our faith) in Him?
    Or do ye say that Abraham Isma’il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah? Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah? But Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
    That was a people that hath passed away. They shall reap the fruit of what they did and ye of what ye do! Of their merits there is no question in your case.

    The Same Religion as That Enjoined on Noah

    Qur’an 42:12-14 Surah As-Shuraa (The Consultation)
    To Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth: He enlarges and restricts the Sustenance to whom He will: for He knows full well all things.
    The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah–the which We have sent by inspiration to thee–and that which We enjoined on Abraham Moses and Jesus: Namely that ye should remain steadfast in Religion and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).
    And they became divided only after knowledge reached them through selfish envy as between themselves. Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy Lord (tending) to a Term appointed the matter would have been settled between them: but truly those who have inherited the Book after them are in suspicious (disquieting) doubt concerning it.

    Allah Sent down Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) Before the Qur’an

    Qur’an 3:1-6 Surah Ale-‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
    Allah! there is no god but He the Living the Self-Subsisting Eternal.
    It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step) in truth the Book confirming what went before it; and He sent down Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this as a guide to mankind and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
    Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allah will suffer the severest penalty and Allah is Exalted in Might Lord of Retribution.
    From Allah verily nothing is hidden on earth or in the heavens.
    He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He pleases. There is no god but He the Exalted in Might the Wise.

    Allah Sent Jesus the Son of Mary Confirming the Law, Sent Him the Gospel

    Qur’an 5:45-47 Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)
    We ordained therein for them: “Life for life eye for eye nose for nose ear for ear tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal.” But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed they are (no better than) wrong-doers.
    And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary confirming the law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light and confirmation of the law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
    Let the people of the Gospel Judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed they are (no better than) those who rebel.

    Clear Signs To Jesus the Son of Mary

    Qur’an 2:253 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Heifer)
    Those apostles We endowed with gifts some above others: to one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honor); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. If Allah had so willed succeeding generations would not have fought among each other after clear (Signs) had come to them but they (chose) to wrangle some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed they would not have fought each other; but Allah fulfilleth His plan.

    Glad Tidings of an Apostle to Come after Me Whose Name Shall Be Ahmad

    Qur’an 61:6-9 Surah As-Saff (The Ranks)
    And remember Jesus the son of Mary said: “O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me whose name shall be Ahmad.” But when he came to them with Clear Signs they said “This is evident sorcery!”
    Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Allah even as he is being invited to Islam? And Allah guides not those who do wrong.
    Their intention is to extinguish Allah’s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: but Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
    It is He Who has sent His Apostle with Guidance and the Religion of Truth that he may proclaim it over all religion even though the Pagans may detest (it).

    Some Apostles You Called Impostors and Others You Slay

    Qur’an 2:87-88 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Heifer)
    We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of Apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an Apostle with what ye yourselves desire not ye are puffed up with pride? Some ye called impostors and others ye slay!
    They say “Our hearts are the wrappings (which preserve Allah’s word we need no more).” Nay Allah’s curse is on them for their blasphemy; little is it they believe.

    Prophets Zakariya, John, Jesus and Elias: All in the Ranks of the Righteous

    Qur’an 6:83-89 Surah An-An’am (The Cattle)
    That was the reasoning about Us which We gave to Abraham (to use) against his people: We raise whom We will degree after degree: for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge.
    We gave him Isaac and Jacob: all (three) We guided: and before him We guided Noah and before him We guided Noah and among his progeny David Solomon Job Joseph Moses and Aaron: thus do We reward those who do good:
    And Zakariya and John and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous:
    And Ismail and Elisha and Jonas and Lot: and to all We gave favor above the nations:
    (To them) and to their fathers and progeny and brethren: We chose them. And We guided them to a straight way.
    This is the guidance of Allah: He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth of His worshippers. If they were to join other gods with Him all that they did would be vain for them.
    These were the men to whom We gave the Book and authority and prophethood: if these (their descendants) reject them behold! We shall entrust their charge to a new People who reject them not.

    Glory to Thee! Never Could I Say What I Had No Right to Say

    Qur’an 5:116-120 Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)
    And behold! Allah will say “O Jesus the son of Mary! didst thou say unto men ‘worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah”? He will say: “Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
    “Never said I to them anything except what Thou didst command me to say to wit ‘Worship Allah my Lord and your Lord’; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up thou wast the Watcher over them and Thou art a Witness to all things.
    “If Thou dost punish them they are Thy servants: if Thou dost forgive them Thou art the Exalted the Wise.
    Allah will say: “This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens with rivers flowing beneath their eternal home: Allah well-pleased with them and they with Allah: that is the great Salvation (the fulfillment of all desires).
    To Allah doth belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein and it is He who hath power over all things.

    Say Not “Trinity”: Desist: it Will Be Better for You: for Allah Is One Allah

    Qur’an 4:171-173 Surah An-Nisaa (The Women)
    O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ (Maseeh) Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Apostle of Allah and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Apostles. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
    Christ (Maseeh) disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah nor do the angels those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant He will gather them all together unto himself to (answer).
    But to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness He will give their (due) rewards and more out of His bounty: but those who are disdainful and arrogant He will punish with a grievous penalty; nor will they find besides Allah any to protect or help them.

    They Do Blaspheme Who Say: “Allah Is Christ the Son of Mary”…

    Qur’an 5:72-77 Surah Al-Ma’idah (The Table Spread)
    They do blaspheme who say: “Allah is Christ the son of Mary.” But said Christ (Maseeh): “O children of Israel! worship Allah my Lord and your Lord.” Whoever joins other gods with Allah Allah will forbid him the garden and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
    They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy) verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.
    Why turn they not to Allah and seek His forgiveness? For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.
    Christ (Maseeh) the son of Mary was no more than an Apostle; many were the Apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth makes His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!
    Say: Will ye worship besides Allah something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah He it is that heareth and knoweth all things.”
    Say: “O people of the Book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper) trespassing beyond the truth nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by who misled many and strayed (themselves) from the even way.

    Priests and Anchorites to Be Their Lords in Derogation of Allah

    Qur’an 9:30-35 Surah At-Tauba (Repentance)
    The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth!
    They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; Yet they were commanded to worship but one Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to him: (far is He) from having the parents they associate (with him).
    Fain would they extinguish Allah’s light with their mouths but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected even though the unbelievers may detest (it).
    It is He who hath sent His apostle with guidance and religion of truth to proclaim it over all religions even though the pagans may detest (it).
    O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and anchorites who in falsehood devour the substance of men and hinder (them) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah: announce unto them a most grievous penalty.
    On the day when heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the fire of hell and with it will be branded their foreheads their flanks and their backs “this is the (treasure) which ye buried for yourselves: taste ye then the (treasures) ye buried!”

    Christ Does Not Disdain to Serve and Worship Allah

    Qur’an 4:172-173 Surah An-Nisaa (The Women)
    Christ (Maseeh) disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah nor do the angels those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant He will gather them all together unto himself to (answer).
    But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness He will give their (due) rewards and more out of His bounty: but those who are disdainful and arrogant He will punish with a grievous penalty; nor will they find besides Allah any to protect or help them.

    If Anyone Desires a Religion Other than Islam It Will Never Be Accepted

    Qur’an 3:83-86 Surah Ale-‘Imran (The Family of ‘Imran)
    Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah? While all creatures in the heavens and on earth have willing or unwilling bowed to His Will (accepted Islam) and to Him shall they all be brought back.
    Say: “We believe in Allah and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham Isma’il Isaac Jacob and the Tribes and in (Books) given to Moses Jesus and the Prophets from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam).”
    If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
    How shall Allah guide those who reject faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Apostle was true and that clear signs had come unto them? But Allah guides not a people unjust.

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    Allah: Allah is the proper name in Arabic for The One and Only God, The Creator and Sustainer of the universe. It is used by the Arab Christians and Jews for the God (‘Eloh-im’ in Hebrew; ‘Allaha’ in Aramaic, the mother tongue of Jesus). The word Allah does not have a plural or gender. Allah does not have any associate or partner, and He does not beget nor was He begotten. SWT is an abbreviation of Arabic words that mean ‘Glory Be To Him.’

    s or pbuh: Peace Be Upon Him. This expression is used for all Prophets of Allah.

    Those who wish to understand the specific and broader meaning of the verses of the Qur’an, it is recommended that they should also read commentary on these subjects and verses. The English readers will find either Yusuf Ali’s or Maududi’s commentaries a good source. Allama Yususf Ali presents the meaning Ayah (verse) by Ayah with detailed footnotes for relevant words in each verse and includes a detailed index of the topics mentioned in the Qur’an. Maulana Maududi’s work covers commentary for each Surah (chapter) of the Holy Qur’an.


  4. Nan says:

    Arah, Islam’s understanding of Jesus is irrelevant to the discussion. Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God and not merely a prophet.

  5. Michael says:

    I’d rather tell to Arah plainly that Jesus is God, not merely the “Son of God”. This biblical phrase, taken out of the context of Faith of the Church, although – if properly understood – is legitimate, it can also be easily misunderstood (Arius, for example), and that is exactly how Mohammed misunderstood it, as it is evident from his Quran.

    He took it not in trinitarian sense, but in biological sense, and argued, that God (“Allah”), couldn’t have had a son because He is “self- sufficient” (10:68) and “had no spouse” (6:101, and many other places). Jesus is for him a prophet, miraculously conceived.

    What we mean is: (God the) Son of God (the Father), the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, begotten of the Father (not of God “in general”) from eternity, who assumed human nature and was born of Mary in time. Some passages in St. Luke can be understood in the sense that Jesus is the Son of God because Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit (1: 132, 135), but I do not think that is how the phrase is understood in Catholic doctrine.

  6. Joel says:

    Unfortunately for the Muslims they have a distorted view of the Trinity with their belief that Mary is the third person rather than the Holy Spirit! Were that the case we trully would have a polytheistic religion.

    One of my favorite passages to refer to is when Jesus refered to himself as the Good Shepard. In this assertion he was unequivically claiming divinity.

  7. aboriente says:

    I look at simple stuff like Jesus saying “before Abraham was, I am” or “The Father and I are one”… The people at the time understood what He was claiming quite quite well. They would have stoned Him if they could.

    Or there’s how people reacted to Our Lord: the blind man who had received his site: he said, ‘Lord, I believe.’ And he worshipped Him. Or look at Thomas exclaiming “My Lord and my God!”

    Btw… Rob, I have seen The Last Temptation, it is not very recommendable film, except if you want to see what heresy really is, or what’s the danger of heresies. I think just about everything mentioned above, plus all the gnosticism, modernism, relativism, historic-jesusism etc etc that you could pretty much think about. It’s pretty dangerous to anyone who is ignorant and arrogant enough not to submit their understanding of Christ to the Church and her teachings.

  8. Michael says:

    I know very little about various Protestant denominations, like Evangelicals, Born Again Christians, Baptists, Low Anglicans, Methodists etc. who adhere to the Sola Scriptura principle. Do they believe that Jesus is really God, or merely the “Son of God”? Anyone can help?

    Surely, to argue the Divinity of Christ from the NT alone is possible but not conclusive, and there are even theologians who style themselves Catholics and yet do not believe in Christ’s divinity for that very reason. That is why, I understand, Hans Kung was suspended from teaching. So, I would not be surprised to hear that the Christians listed above do not really believe either.

    If somebody is kind enough to respond there is no need – as far as I am concerned – to marshal the NT evidence. Personally, I believe in Divinity of Christ because that is the Faith of the Church. That Faith finds its articulation in the NT but it is nevertheless primarily the Faith handed down in Tradition.

  9. bfhu says:

    Yes they all do believe in the divinity of Jesus Christ. But they, or at least the churches I used to attend lack a developed theology to deal with the passages that seem to portray Jesus as a man lacking divinity. Unlike some heretical Catholic theologians and priests who slip heresy to the parish when these passages are read at mass, Evangelicals are just silent or if they say something they are sure to reassert that Jesus was divine despite what it might sound like.

  10. Michael says:

    Thanks for you comment. There were three occasion I came accross which made me raise the question.

    One was an intellectual, later Anglican Minister, of Low Church branch, who to my explicit question did not want to commit himself to more than that Jesus was “divine”. Another was a public address when one of the New Born Christians (or like) while involved in a polemic with Moslems, was comming again and again to the NT, but never saying that Jesus was God, only the Son of God, and explicitly rejected the council of Nicea – he was doing his PhD in theology. Yet another was a local discussion group meeting, in which a wife convert from one of these low denominarions insisted against her Catholic husband, that she had never heard in her former denomination that Jesus was God, only the Son of God.

    I can’t of course say how representative these individuls were of their communities/former communities.

  11. happy says:

    Hi Michael,

    Coming from the Methodist faith, I can say that the belief is Jesus is God.
    Without sin…fully God.

    Its funny because through the years, sadly, the thing I had always heard about the Catholic faith was they didn’t believe in the Holy Spirit and the fullness of God through the Holy Spirit!

    Very Mistaken, right? That was a point I was happy to be corrected on.

    Many Blessings

  12. Michael says:

    There is no such thing as “the fullness of God through the Holy Spirit”. The Holy Spirit is God as the Son (Jesus) is God and as the Father is God. They are three Persons, co-equal and co-eternal.

    Hopefully, the Methodists believe all that.


  13. happy says:

    yes, they do. the belief by some was that catholics did not.

  14. Dave says:

    If Jesus was omniscient why didn’t he know when the end of time would be?

  15. bfhu says:

    Jesus had two natures, Divine and human. He could have declared when the end of time would come from His divine nature’s omniscience. However, he chose not to reveal this and responded from his natual human knowledge which did not know the answer without accessing divine omnicience.

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