Beetle on Gay Marriage Prop 8: Mormons Stole Your Rights………Huh?


The Mormons have been unfairly targeted for their position in favor of the gay marriage ban in California.  Beetle Blogger has the facts on the broad coalition supporting Prop 8.

From Beetle Blogger.

1. Mormons make up less than 2% of the population of California. There are approximately 800,000 LDS out of a total population of approximately 34 million.

2. Mormon voters were less than 5% of the yes vote. If one estimates that 250,000 LDS are registered voters (the rest being children), then LDS voters made up 4.6% of the Yes vote and 2.4% of the total Proposition 8 vote.

3. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) donated no money to the Yes on 8 campaign. Individual members of the Church were encouraged to support the Yes on 8 efforts and, exercising their constitutional right to free speech, donated whatever they felt like donating.

4. The No on 8 campaign raised more money than the Yes on 8 campaign. Unofficial estimates put No on 8 at $38 million and Yes on 8 at $32 million, making it the most expensive non-presidential election in the country.

5. Advertising messages for the Yes on 8 campaign are based on case law and real-life situations. The No on 8 supporters have insisted that the Yes on 8 messaging is based on lies. Every Yes on 8 claim is supported.

6. The majority of our friends and neighbors voted Yes on 8. Los Angeles County voted in favor of Yes on 8. Ventura County voted in favor of Yes on 8.

7. African Americans overwhelmingly supported Yes on 8. Exit polls show that 70% of Black voters chose Yes on 8. This was interesting because the majority of these voters voted for President-elect Obama. No on 8 supporters had assumed that Obama voters would vote No on 8.

8. The majority of Latino voters voted Yes on 8. Exit polls show that the majority of Latinos supported Yes on 8 and cited religious beliefs (assumed to be primarily Catholic).

9. The Yes on 8 coalition was a broad spectrum of religious organizations. Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Orthodox Jews, Muslims – all supported Yes on 8. It is estimated that there are 10 million Catholics and 10 million Protestants in California. Mormons were a tiny fraction of the population represented by Yes on 8 coalition members.

10. Not all Mormons voted in favor of Proposition 8. Our faith accords that each person be allowed to choose for him or her self. Church leaders have asked members to treat other members with “civility, respect and love,” despite their differing views.

11. The Church did not violate the principal of separation of church and state. This principle is derived from the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .” The phrase “separation of church and state”, which does not appear in the Constitution itself, is generally traced to an 1802 letter by Thomas Jefferson, although it has since been quoted in several opinions handed down by the United States Supreme Court in recent years. The LDS Church is under no obligation to refrain from participating in the political process, to the extent permitted by law. U.S. election law is very clear that Churches may not endorse candidates, but may support issues. The Church has always been very careful on this matter and occasionally (not often) chooses to support causes that it feels to be of a moral nature.


7 Responses to Beetle on Gay Marriage Prop 8: Mormons Stole Your Rights………Huh?

  1. By participating in the Proposition 8 battle, Mormon leaders were acting in their role as citizens in the democratic process, a role that they have every right to be proud of — at least from their particular point of view. After all, their political campaign was successful. I don’t like how it all turned out, but such is politics. There are always, by the nature of the beast, winners and losers. And their side won this time in the end.

    But as citizens leading a political campaign, they cannot escape public accountability for their public actions, especially when their political actions were seen by many as dirty, degrading, dishonest, and most definitely un-Christian. After all that, the leadership of the LDS cannot suddenly change roles, toss up their hands and say, “You can’t criticize us! We’re a religion!” They forfeited that right when they threw themselves enthusiastically into a non-religious, political campaign. They forfeited that right when they left the temple and entered the world of Caesar. They are politicians now, and they deserve the same scrutiny and criticism due to any other political leader or movement.

    It is not scapegoating to point out the facts, nor is it Mormon-bashing to criticize their agenda and tactics. This is all fair game in politics — politics which the Mormon church eagerly entered. Andrew Sullivan is right: gays and lesbians now have every right to regard the LDS leadership as their enemy. After all, gays didn’t wage a campaign to strip Mormons of their civil rights. It was the Mormon leaders who have successfully removed a civil right which had already been granted to gays and lesbians.

    This is not bigotry or discrimination against a religion. It is criticism leveled against what is now seen as a powerful political organization. That is perfectly legitimate.

    Welcome to the world of politics, LDS. There’s no hiding behind a temple now.

  2. Adrienne says:

    I want to know why that isn’t considered a hate crime??

  3. NG says:

    Christians don’t believe in hate crimes.

  4. Fr. J. says:

    Jeff, you throw around vague charges. What are these horrible tactics? What is their terrible agenda beyond being pro marriage?

  5. But as citizens leading a political campaign, they cannot escape public accountability for their public actions, especially when their political actions were seen by many as dirty, degrading, dishonest, and most definitely un-Christian.

    1) What is the accountability for which you speak? The protests and vandalism certainly are not the type of accountability measures we expect in our system. Actually, I can’t think of another group whose issue failed that mobilized AFTER the campaign, to terrorize and protest a segment of the oppositions support in this fashion.

    2) What did they do that was dishonest, dirty, and degrading?

  6. beetlebabee says:

    The proposition 8 fight eclipsed everything for me the last few months. This has been an awesome and powerful movement. I am just so pleased to have been a part of it. California, Arizona and Florida all won. That sends a message to the gay movement in this country. We are turning the tide. Shall we go back to sleep now? You can bet that the opposition won’t be sleeping. My eyes have been pried wide open the last few weeks and I cannot go back to the place I was in blissful ignorance. There are those out there willing to destroy the family and the values that this country is founded on, for mere self interest.

    There is more to life than self interest.

    Were I to only worry about myself, I would not fight for the rights of my children or my community, I would just go on my merry way. I can easily do that, it’s my nature to find things to fill my life that are pleasant and good. Fighting is hard. Who wants to be called names and get into uncomfortable arguments? This fight took me WAY out of my comfort zone, but we accomplished something and the exhilaration of that moment was great. Knowing my children will have a better world made it worth it.

    If we don’t fight, if we choose instead to go back to sleep and peace and ignorance, we will be mere pawns of those who choose to act around us. I can’t be that pawn any longer. I choose to act. At this point, I’m not sure where to direct my energy for change, but I will be looking for that opportunity.

    One thing I learned from this historic election is that every voice makes a difference.

    I’ll keep fighting, and I’ll teach my children to stand up and fight, to make their voices heard in positive ways, to stand up for what they believe in and make a difference in their worlds for good. One voice raised is worth a thousand silent voices.

    We’ve seen the face of the opposition and it will not rest.

    Neither can we.

  7. Fr. J. says:

    Growing up I was very close to a Mormon family. They were very good people, though I have lost track of them now. Anyway, they always said they were prolife but that it was not the Mormon way to get involved in politics.

    I am so pleased, Beetle, to see that you and so many Mormons have decided to take a stand in the public forum. We need your activism in the pro-life movement as well. Abortion and gay marriage are both attacks on the fundamentals of human life. They are twin issues in that they both attack the sanctity and meaning of human sexuality which is properly order toward new life. Homosexuality says that procreation is irrelevant to sexuality and abortion says that sex is for recreation and we should be “freed” from the “worry” of pregnancy.

    So, Mormons, hop on board !!

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