Baptism Does NOT Save You!

October 31, 2008

Q. Baptism does NOT save a person. Baptism is an outward expression of your faith to the world. The bible says in Luke 24:40-43 that the thief received Jesus as his LORD and Savior and that saved him. As far as I know he was never baptized. Baptism is after you are saved.

A. You have expressed the Protestant view that baptism is merely an outward expression of an inward faith. It is true that the thief on the cross was saved without baptism. The Catholic Church does not deny that God may bring people to salvation without baptism.

But she teaches that baptism in the usual way for one to be initiated into salvation and the Body of Christ in obedience and conformity to Christ and Scripture..

The narrow Protestant definition of baptism does not adequately incorporate many passages of sacred scripture. The passages below are interpreted differently than the way the Catholic Church interprets them. But unless they are claiming infallible interpretation then Protestants must concede that our interpretation is as valid as theirs.

And of course we would say even more valid because the Catholic interpretation is more ancient than the Protestant interpretation.

When Jesus tells Nicodemus that one must be born of WATER and the SPIRIT. In John 3:5.

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved

Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

And Peter exhorted the crowd at Pentecost:

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Again in:

1 Peter 3:20-21 ..when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you …

St. Paul also speaks of baptism through which we enter into Christ in order to live.

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Titus 3:5 He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

Below is the result of a word search on BibleGateway…

  1. Acts 9:18 and the first thing St. Paul does is…
    Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized,

  2. Acts 10:47
    Then Peter said, “Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

  3. Acts 10:48
    So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

  4. Acts 11:16
    Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’

  5. Acts 16:15
    When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home. “If you consider me a believer in the Lord,” she said, “come and stay at my house.” And she persuaded us.

  6. Acts 16:33
    At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized.

  7. Acts 18:8
    Crispus, the synagogue ruler, and his entire household believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him believed and were baptized.

  8. Acts 19:5
    On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.

  9. Acts 22:16
    And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’

  10. Romans 6:3
    Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
  11. Galatians 3:27
    for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.

Friday’s Flannery: The Short Stories of Flannery O’Connor

October 30, 2008

Introducing a new series on the short stories of Flannery O’Connor, a perennial favorite among Catholic American authors, this series of posts will look at each of her short stories from a Catholic point of view.

Flannery is one of the most misunderstood American authors, so it will be helpful to look at some aspects of her writing and biography which are keys to her work.


It is important to note that Flannery at age 16 watched her father die of the terrible disease lupus.  As a still young woman she learned she would share his fate.  She regarded her miseries as a mysterious gift, a preparation for heaven which may explain to some degree her fascination with suffering and death not as morbid but as a window into the purging beatific vision.

She who had left the south to live in New York among the literary set was forced to return home where her mother cared for her.  She wrote most of her stories from this home in rural Georgia which may illumine several of her stories in which a young son superior in knowledge and sophistication is trapped by circumstance or temperament living with his old fashioned and socially crude mother.

Southern Gothic

Three words are often applied to Flannery’s writing which she did not entirely appreciate, gratuitous, grotesque and Gothic. Her stories are replete with unsympathetic characters, hideous details and often end in violence. In a radio program broadcast from the University of Chicago, Flannery addresses these descriptions with an explanation of her literary aim, which is “to make people who do not want to see, see.” See what? The movement of the Holy Spirit.


Flannery considered the modern world with its many distractions and constant obsession with the material, to be such an obstacle to the spiritual life that often spiritual breakthroughs only happen when one is faced with a crisis, particularly death. Like a callous which renders the skin insensitive, the spiritual indifference engendered by modernity needs to be shed, often by force, to expose one’s soul to divine action.  This is certainly true of her characters, but she also believed it to be true of her readers as well,  who needed to be shocked into insight.  In other words her readers whether southern or not, inhabit the same world and are inflicted with the same spiritual sicknesses as her characters.  The violence and strangeness of her stories was as necessary to reach her readers as they were to bring her stubborn characters to conversion.

Read the rest of this entry »

October 30: Blessed Oleksa Zarytsky, Greek Catholic Martyr, 1912-1963

October 30, 2008

Blessed Oleksa Zarytsky
Greek Catholic Martyr 
1912 – 1963 Read the rest of this entry »

Two Jesuits Killed In Moscow

October 30, 2008

Catholic Church Conservation relays:

“Two Roman Catholic priests were murdered in their apartment in an upmarket district of Moscow, investigators said Wednesday. Victor Betancourt, a Jesuit priest from Ecuador, was killed in the apartment on Saturday and Otto Messmer, a Russian who led the country’s Jesuits, was killed there two days later, after returning from a foreign trip, their order said in Rome”

Read the whole story here.

Prayers for the repose of the souls of Frs. Otto Messmer & Victor Bentancourt.

Prayer to Saints is Wrong

October 29, 2008

Jerry: The body of Christ are to pray together or alone for each other but never to Mary or to the Saints who have gone to Heaven. Only to God the Father, the Son , and the Holy Spirit.

BFHU: Where does scripture forbid asking Mary and the Saints to intercede for us?


Romans 8:26-27 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.

Luke 11:1-4

One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.” 2He said to them, “When you pray, say:

” ‘Our Father…”

Acts 4:23-30 shows us that we are to pray to God only.

BFHU: The scripture in Acts 4 is the recounting of the prayers of the Christian community in thanksgiving for the release of Peter and John from prison. It tells us that:

they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said……

But none of these passages forbid the intercessory prayer of the saints in Heaven. This first passage explains that the Spirit will intercede for us when we do not know what we ought to pray for. That is a great comfort of course. The Catholic Church believes this as well. The second passage is a prayer we pray at every single mass. And the third passage is an example of direct prayer to God.

The issue of “praying to Mary and the Saints” is different than what any of these passages address. For Catholics, asking Mary or another Saint to pray for us is basically exactly the same as asking any other Christian to pray for us. It is all simply intercessory prayer. Just as you stated:

“The body of Christ are to pray together or alone for each other…”

Since Mary and the Saints are all a part of the Body of Christ we are asking them to pray together with us as you said. We consider them to be just as much a part of the Body of Christ as they were on Earth. And even more completely alive as they contemplate Our Lord in Heaven. And their love and concern for us is beautiful.

What you may have misunderstood is that “Prayer to Saints” is NOT the same thing as “Prayer to God.” Prayer to Saints is a request, to the saint, to pray FOR us to God or pray WITH us to God. We know that God is the ONE who answers our prayer. Where as, in “Prayer TO God” we are directly asking God to answer our prayer. We believe both types of prayer, direct and intercessory, are legitimate.

For more info see my post: Why do Catholics Pray to Mary?

Assumption of Mary

October 29, 2008

Q. What is the Assumption of Mary?

A. The assumption of Mary is the dogma that at the end of her life on Earth, Mary was assumed into Heaven through the power of her Son. Her body did not decay in the grave. Today, August 15th is the Feast of the Assumption of Mary. The Church has not defined whether Mary died and then was assumed or whether she was assumed into Heaven before death similar to Elijah and Enoch. Because Mary was sinless, she was not subject to death but she may have chosen to experience death in union with her son. Or, she may never have experienced death and just went straight to Heaven, body and soul. This Feast day has been celebrated since the year 650AD.

Hear Father Ragheed Ganni, New Martyr of the Chaldeans

October 29, 2008

“Hear the voice of a Christian Martyr singing a hymn in Arabic to the Blessed Mother, while watching a slideshow of his funeral mass. Hear the angelic voice of Father Ragheed Ganni, a 35 year old Chaldean Catholic Priest killed on Sunday
June 3rd, 2007 with subdeacons Basman Yousef Daoud, Wadid Hanna and Ghasan Bida Wid right after celebrating mass at Holy Spirit Chaldean Catholic Church in Mosul, Iraq. The car of Father Ragheed and the three deacons was stopped by terrorists shortly after leaving the church.

“They were forced to get down from the car and asked to declare their conversion to Islam. When the four martyrs refused they were brutally gunned down with machine guns. Lord, protect all the innocent people of Iraq and all those trying to defend them. Jesus we trust in you and we are sustained by the prayers of your most holy mother to whom you never refuse a request. We pray for the repentance and conversion of Father Ragheed’s killers and all other terrorists. May she who gave birth to us at the foot of the cross beg you for mercy. “


It is really tough to listen to or watch this with dry eyes.

UPDATE: Someone emailed the following to me, I wanted to share it – I hope that is alright.”I clicked over to your blog and found your post on Fr. Ragheed from Iraq.He came to visit our parish back in 2002 or 2003 (I forget?)… and we got to know him personally very well. My husband and I took him out to lunch on a couple occasions…He was a beautiful person… I enjoy reading about him. Thanks for your blog post.”

I had not known Father Ragheed had spent any time in America. That was fascinating to learn. Thank you for sharing that.

Abortion and the Church of the East

October 29, 2008

With the upcoming elections, we see increasing attacks on the choice of life by those who have embraced the culture of death. Thank God that in opposition to that there are people who are increasing awareness of what Truth is… what Life is.

I am reproducing below a paper written by H.G. Mar Bawai Soro, years ago while he was in the Assyrian Church. It was from a series of teachings meant to convey to the faithful of his diocese the church’s teachings on various topics that are applicable these days. This view, from the standpoint of a church out of communion with any other apostolic church, shows the universality of the apostolic teaching on the topic of abortion.


Bishop Mar Bawai Soro


“And whoever receives one child such as this in my name receives me.” (Matthew 18:5)

Ask ten people what they see as the greatest challenge in human society today and you’ll get ten different answers or more. Poverty, the cost of health care, hunger and starvation, terrorism, the divorce rate, political corruption, homelessness, a crisis in education, trade and budget deficits, a lack of involvement – the answers are many and the challenges are real.

These issues and more threaten the fabric of society by making it more difficult for people to live in justice, love and peace with one another, as Jesus taught. Many issues challenge human society today and they all, in one way or another, impact on the freedom that people should be able to enjoy.

In the United States and elsewhere in the world, one particular issue has become politically and religiously very intense, a concern that is the most important human rights issue of our day: abortion. The direct killing of an unborn child by abortion has become an issue that divides people, who hold very strong opinions and beliefs about it.

The word abortion applies to two similar and yet radically different events. First, the natural miscarriage of a fetus before it is born can be called an abortion. It is spontaneous and does not refer to the type of abortion that has become so contentions today.

The second event described by the word abortion refers to the medically induced direct and deliberate removal of a fetus from the womb before it is fully developed and able to survive, Read the rest of this entry »

abortion and rape

October 29, 2008

It has been a while since I have posted, and I apologize. Also, this is my first post that deals with a current issues.

In a recent discussion, there was an argument regarding the issue of abortion in the case of rape. Often, the accusation of callousness is thrown against those who oppose abortion even in the case of rape, but in truth it is logical and ultimately an issue of love.

First, the logic. The pro-life movement is about saving the innocent unborn children from the massacre waged against them. The unborn innocent are entitled to a right to life which should not be denied them. As the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith states: “The tradition of the Church has always held that human life must be protected and favored from the beginning, just as at the various stages of its development” {for the complete document see here}.

Logically, it follows that the innocents’ right to life must be safeguarded regardless of the conditions in which they are conceived. Regardless of whether the man and woman are together or not, able to afford the kid or not, young or old, in school or not working. Denying life to the unborn is murder, and the convenience or readiness of the parents does not override the seriousness of such a sin. The condition in which the child was conceived does not make the unborn innocent any less or more guilty. It is unjustifiable to transfer the sin of the rapist to the innocent unborn child.

Pro-life is about forbidding murder, about love and brotherhood. It is not about wanting to punish irresponsible men and women, to make them take responsibilities for their action. The love is not just restricted to the unborn, but also flows to the parents. Love that seeks to prevent them from committing such a sin as murder. Love that knows that they will psychological and emotional pain {see here for some testimonies}. Love that advises the parents “give life a chance to surprise you with joy… see what goodness God provides for us.”

To say you are pro-life except in the case of rape or incest is illogical and hypocritical. Such statement loses the ethical and moral grounds that validate the pro-life stance in that it presents that not all life is necessarily sacred, and hence it cannot be maintained that “human life is sacred.”

Interesting Deathbed Converts

October 29, 2008

I have been looking around the internet for some interesting converts to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I find that deathbed conversions are interesting. On one hand I am glad to see that they converted, and on the other I think “What were you waiting for?”

Anyway, here is a list of some of the more famous deathbed conversions or “reversions” that I found on the net. Caveat: this list is certainly not exhaustive and in no way, shape, or form is it inerrant. Here are the converts:

Constantine the Great- Surprisingly, the great Emperor who signed the Edict of Milan and did so much for the Church in Her early days only converted on his deathbed. He may have postponed his baptism to properly repent for the earlier murders of his wife and son first (he ordered their executions.) He fell ill, realized that he was at death’s door, and was actually baptized by the Arian bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia. He is honored as a Saint in the Orthodox and Eastern Catholic Churches, the Latin Church has no Feast for him and does not honor him as a Saint.

Charles II of England- He and his brother James II were the best hopes in restoring Catholicism to “Our Lady’s Dowry” (Non Angli Sed Angeli !) James, who would succeed Charles on the throne of England converted to Catholicism first. Charles was against James’ conversion for political purposes but later converted himself on his deathbed. His father Charles I was beheaded after one of the many Civil Wars England fought against itself for power over the Isle. Charles I was added to the Anglican list of Saints as a martyr after the restoration of the Monarchy in England by his son, Charles II. Charles I is one of the few post-Reformation (Revolt?) saints of the Anglican Church.

Oscar Wilde- For all his flamboyant and wild (pun intended) behavior and homosexual dalliances he still asked to be baptized in to the Church on his deathbed. He was a brilliant poet, playwright, and novelist.

John Wayne- I knew it! The Duke always reminded me of my grandpa! John Wayne had been married 3 times and was divorced twice. All of his wives were Hispanic women and I assume that their Catholicism rubbed off on him. I have always enjoyed his movies, especially the ones he made with Maureen O’Hara. Every year on or around St. Patrick’s Day, I make sure to watch The Quiet Man.

Buffalo Bill Cody- Buffalo Bill was baptized on his deathbed in Denver. He was given tribute by King George of England, Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany, and of course President Woodrow Wilson when they heard of his death. He may have been influenced by the great Chief Sitting Bull who, according to the blog Roman Christendom, converted some years before.

Some note that John Henry “Doc” Holiday may have been a deathbed convert… It is noted “He struck up a friendship with the local Catholic priest, Father Edward Downey, and there were unconfirmed reports that Holliday was received into the Catholic Church just before he died. For the last two weeks of his life, he was delirious. Doc Holliday died on Nov. 8, 1887, age 36.” (Source).  Also “friend and first cousin Martha Anne “Mattie” Holliday, with whom he regularly corresponded throughout his life, had years earlier become a Catholic nun, and this may have been an influence. ” (Source)

There are many more, but it is getting late and I have to go to Mass tomorrow.

Defending Truth & Contending For The Faith?

October 28, 2008

I came across the following odd quote using’s “tag surfer feature”. I am not surprised by the content, per se… I have been dealing with non-Catholic and anti-Catholic apologists for over a decade. I usually respect them as sincere, and never take it personally.

But what I find odd… well first read it first for yourself…

<!–[if gte mso 9]> Normal 0 MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 <![endif]–> The Roman Catholic religion claims that the Bible does not contain all the truths which a Christian is bound to believe (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 72). Catholicism also says the Bible does not contain everything God taught about salvation (A Catechism for Adults, p. 52); is not clear and intelligible (The Faith of Our Fathers, pgs. 70, 152); is a dead book (Question Box, p. 67); and does more harm than good (Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent, p. 274). These, and many other comments against the Bible, reveal that Catholicism is not a loyal friend of the Bible but a forceful enemy that needs to be confronted. Roman Catholicism constantly seeks to undermine, weaken, oppose and nullify the Bible from its God-ordained place of authority.


The thing of it is, I HAVE read The Faith Of Our Fathers by James Cardinal Gibbons. In high school, it actually kept me Catholic when I was preparing to leave the Catholic Church. I have read it (and done so more than once) and didn’t recall anything of the sort being attributed to that text in the actual book.

But I haven’t read it for at least 10 years… so fair is fair, some due diligence to see what this gentleman is possibly referring to, I used Google Books (The Faith of Our Fathers is public domain) to check out the pages cited. You can do the same.

So having read the full text of each page cited (at least using the page numbers offered compared to the online edition which matches up with the TAN edition, as the TAN edition – that I owned – was a facsimile reproduction of the same…)  I am still just as befuddled.  In each instance, the pages offered aren’t even related to discussion of Scriptures.

So my question to Mike Gendron is, what are the exact quotes you found in The Faith of Our Fathers  that back up your assertions?  Have you read the book, or are you quoting from someone who claims to be quoting it?

American Papist Introduces “Vlogging”

October 27, 2008

A clever one, that Thomas Peters!

Best of luck with the effort! And if you haven’t already done so, add American Papist to your blog diet.

Creative Minority Report: Save The Straw Men

October 27, 2008

Save The Straw Men

Thought in passing, shouldn’t they be called “straw people”, “straw persons” or (when it is true) “straw women”? Something to think about I guess.

How Can We Grow In Holiness?

October 27, 2008

That Catholic Show – Charity and Mercy

Just Got Back From the Deep In History Conference…

October 27, 2008

To all of the terrific folks Father J and I met at the Deep In History Conference this weekend, thank you for sharing meals, stories, laughs and making the weekend so unforgettable. New friends were indeed made.

And (if anyone was wondering) Marcus Grodi is much taller in person than you would expect. 

Incidentally, Dave Armstrong smiles a whole lot, so don’t be fooled by the tough looking photo to be found over at his blog, Biblical Evidence For Catholicism!

If you missed it this year, we certainly hope to see you next. You can discover fun facts about some of your favorite Catholic writers and speakers yourself.  Chances are, some of them will be there, and if you are lucky, you will get to eat lunch with them as well! (Rumor has it that bloggers from The Black Cordelias always had room at their table… go figure!)

See you next year at the conference!

Deep In History Conference 2009 – Mark Your Calendars!

October 27, 2008

Since the Deep in History Conferences began we have journeyed together from the time of the Early Fathers to the beginning of the Catholic Church here in North America. October 23rd 2009 marks a new beginning in our journey to the past as the Deep in History Conference turns to the theme of the History of Catholic Doctrine.
Once again the focus of these weekends is to assist both Catholics and non-Catholics in their understanding what it means to be Deep in History, Deep in Scripture and Deep in Christ. In 2009, we will begin on the “rock” looking to understand the question of Authority: The Pillar and Bulwark. Read the rest of this entry »

How Can I Become Catholic?

October 25, 2008

Q. How can I become Catholic ?

A. The process for being received into the Catholic Church is non pressured but requires true commitment. This process is called the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) or Right of Christian Initiation of Children (RCIC). It is several steps long and the length of time it might take depends upon the catechesis of the idividual and any possible impediments to reception. The most common impediment is divorce and remarriage. The steps are as follows:

  1. Make an appointment with the RCIA director. Tell them you are interested in becoming Catholic.
  2. Begin attending the Inquiry sessions or Pre-catechumenate. These are meetings that evangelize the inquirers and a place for them to get all of their questions answered. There is no commitment involved. A person can stay in inquiry as long as they wish to before moving on to the next step. But they usually need to stay in until the next Rite of Welcome.
  3. Rite of Welcome-Is a Rite that takes place with at mass with the person’s sponsor or a substitute if they don’t have a sponsor yet. It is very beautiful. After the Rite the inquirers leave the Church to reflect on the readings or begin a more formal catechesis (teaching of the faith) . They will attend these meetings each Sunday by coming to the designate mass and leaving for further study after the Liturgy of the Word.
  4. Catechumenate-Consists of those being instructed in the Catholic Faith and prepared for Baptism, First Communion, and/or Confirmation at the Easter Vigil. How this is structured is up to each parish. All instruction may take place on Sudays or some on Sundays and some on another day of the week.
  5. As the Easter Vigil nears those in the Catechumenate will be helped to discern their readiness to be received into the Church at Easter.
  6. Rite of Sending-A Rite that takes place at mass for those proceeding to initiation into the Catholic Church. These are sent to a celebration with the diocesan bishop and all others in the diocese proceeding to the Easter Sacraments. (optional)
  7. Rite of Election or Enrollment of Names-The bishop is the celebrant which officially accepts into the Catholic Church. Names are enrolled in the Church in preparation for the Sacraments of Initiation which will be given at the Easter Vigil.
  8. Period of Purification and Enlightenment-A time of more intense preparation, consisting more in interior reflection than in the catechetical instruction.
  9. Sacraments of Intitiation- this usually takes place at the Easter Vigil.
  10. Mystagogy-Ongoing instruction until the Feast of Pentecost.

This process is recommended to take two years for an individual without any Christian instruction. For those instructed and perhaps baptized in other Christian Ecclesial Communities it will take considerably less time. One is never pressured to move on to the next step if they feel unready. Through the process one also becomes acquainted with Catholics who value their faith and will help you on the journey. It is easy to become impatient…”I want the body of Christ , NOW!” But part of being a Christian is the eradication of pride and the seeking of humility. Graciously submitting to the wisdom of the Church in how she receives new children is a beautiful first step towards growing in humility.

Happy 20th Anniversary, Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP)

October 25, 2008

Today the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter celebrates the 20 anniversary of its canonical erection as a society of apostolic life of pontifical right by His Holiness of happy memory, Pope John Paul II. It began humbly with 11 priests and 1 deacon.

Today they are 300+ members strong with two packed seminaries – one in Austria and one in Nebraska.

Consider sending a birthday card with a $5 bill to:

The Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter
North American Headquarters
Griffin Rd, PO Box 196
Elmhurst, PA 18416

“Who would have thought that this small group of traditional, Latin rite priests would so quickly grow to over 300 members working and studying on 5 continents in the 17 different countries serving over 85 dioceses … and then become THE main force for the implementation of a papal decree expressly promoting the return of the traditional Latin Mass, now known as the “extraordinary form” of the Roman missal, as well as all the sacraments and devotions that go along with it?” (from:

When Did Jesus Know He was God?

October 23, 2008

Q. When did Jesus know He was God the Son? The Second person of the Trinity?

A. He always KNEW who He was. Jesus was a God/man. God and Man joined hypostatically. So He, the God/Man in His totality knew he was God. One of the attributes of God is Omniscience so it would be impossible to be God and not be omniscient. His divine nature always knew He was divine, even as an embryo in Mary’s womb.

Jesus had two natures, however, Human and Divine. When Jesus said that He didn’t know the time of His return He was speaking

“in virtue of His assumed human nature. This knowledge was proper to Him as God, but not proper to Him as man. He did not know God’s moment in virtue of the human nature in which He had come to teach mankind, and He merely brought out the fact that this particular piiece of information was not part of His message…It was God’s secret. Radio Replies Vol II p. 153-154

In other words, Jesus spoke from his human knowledge only, but at the same time His Divine Nature certainly did have knowledge of His return. And this information could have been revealed to His disciples if He had wanted to. But He did not.

The same is true when in the Gospel, after Mary and Joseph find Jesus in the temple, it says Jesus “grew in wisdom and stature” Lk 2:52

Again, it was His human nature/body that “grew in wisdom/knowledge and height”.

Since He was truly human His human nature had to learn things in a human way despite the fact that His Divine nature could have infused knowledge into His human nature. He experienced the fullness of humanity.

Before I became Catholic, on my own, I concluded that Jesus became truly divine at His baptism or at the least that is when He knew Who He really was–God the Son. This is the heresy of Adoptionism- an 8th century Spanish error. So, our Enemy is still up to his old tricks.

Aid Worker Gayle Williams Shot Dead In Afganistan By Taliban

October 22, 2008

For the blessed repose of the handmaid of God Gayle Williams.

Aid Worker Gayle Williams Shot Dead In Afganistan By Taliban

KABUL – A female aid worker was shot dead in the Afghan capital yesterday in a killing claimed by the Islamic Taliban which accused her group of “preaching Christianity.”

Gayle Williams, 34, of British and South African nationality, was shot several times as she was walking to work in a western suburb of Kabul, said the SERVE Afghanistan aid organization for which she had been working for 2-years.

President Hamid Karzai condemned the killing of Ms. Williams Read the rest of this entry »

2,000 new Missouri Synod Lutheran Churches By 2017?

October 22, 2008

2,000 new Missouri Synod Lutheran Churches by 2017?

The thought occurs to me, how will the LCMS staff these 2000 parishes? Do they really have that many in seminary or available?

5 bob to Christian Apologetics Society

Analyst Predicts Muslim Majority In Russia Within 30 Years: Within The Next Several Decades There Will Be A Mosque On Red Square

October 22, 2008

Analyst Predicts Muslim Majority in Russia Within 30 Years

28 February 2006

A leading specialist on ethnic minorities in the Russian Federation says within the next several decades Russia will become a country with a Muslim majority. Paul Goble, a university professor and senior research associate currently based in Estonia, spoke Tuesday at the Washington headquarters of Radio Free Europe-Radio Liberty.

For 25 years Paul Goble worked for the U.S. government as an expert on minorities in the former Soviet Union.

He has been closely tracking what he describes as a huge demographic shift in Russia, a shift he says will have a major Read the rest of this entry »

Compas Direct: “Pakistan: Elderly Christian Killed In Axe Murder”

October 22, 2008

Pray for the Chrisitans of Pakistan and for the conversion of those who persecute them.

“Pakistan: Elderly Christian killed in axe murder,” from Compass Direct News, September 4:

ISTANBUL, September 4 (Compass Direct News) – Four Pakistani Muslims killed an elderly woman with an axe over a dispute with her husband, who has been unable to prosecute them due to his low social status as a Christian.

Case workers said the alleged culprits targeted the couple for theft and later murder because they believed Pakistan’s legal system would not prosecute them for murdering Christians. The suspects’ connections to mafia and national politicians further emboldened them, they said.

“The Muslims assume the Christians are sheep and don’t Read the rest of this entry »

Purgatory Insults Christ

October 21, 2008

Q. Isn’t Purgatory an insult to Jesus who died on the cross for our sins? His suffering was all that was needed!

A. This is a common misconception among Protestants. Nathan told King David that his sins were forgiven (Bathsheba & Uriah) but that he would suffer many temporal consequences because of his sins and that his son would die. So despite the fact that Nathan announced to David that his sins were forgiven nevertheless, he was going to experience terrible temporal suffering as punishment for his sin. II Samuel 12:1-18.

Each sin has TWO consequences. Eternal and Temporal. Jesus’ suffering and death redeemed us from the ETERNAL consequences of sin–only an eternal God could do that. But we pay the temporal price for our sins. How else can we explain Paul’s statement in

Colossians 1:24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions.

For more see my post HERE & Here

VOCATIONS TUESDAY: Sisters of Mary, Mother of The Church

October 21, 2008

Sisters of Mary Mother Of The Church

Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church
Immaculate Heart Retreat Center
6910 S. Ben Burr Road
Spokane, WA 99223

An amazing story of a group of sisters who were fully reconciled to the Catholic Church just this year. Keep them in your prayers and – if possible – consider offering them whatever support that you may.

Forty Years on the Mount
by Matthew T. Gamber, SJ

Last July, 15 nuns from a schismatic convent in Washington state rejoined the Catholic Church. They left the motherhouse of the Religious Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (CMRI), located on the outskirts of Spokane, to form a new congregation: the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church. They formally renounced their state of schism, made a profession of the Catholic faith, became a private association of the faithful under the care of Spokane Bishop William Skylstad, and recognized the legitimacy of the popes from Paul VI through Benedict XVI.

Their former order, which still has approximately 35 sisters, holds to the sedevacantist position that popes elected since John XXIII are invalid and that Vatican II was a heretical council.

The new order’s title reflects its pilgrimage to full communion with Rome. “Mary is our guide. With a title so ancient and yet so popular today, ‘Mother of the Church; she understands the need for unity in the Church,” explains Sister Mary Eucharista, one of the new sisters. “It may be that part of our mission is to help draw those into the Church who have been where we were. Who better to show us how to accomplish that than the Mother of the Church, to whom we give our loyalty and allegiance?”

While maintaining the full habit, the new Catholic sisters have Read the rest of this entry »

Global Warming & the Copenhagen Consensus

October 19, 2008

Global Warming & The Copenhagen Consensus

For a 16 minute explanation of why it makes more sense to spend our money on world problems other than global warming see HERE.

Why Do Catholics Have a Catechism?

October 17, 2008

That Catholic Show – Night of the Living Catechism

CTA: The Bible and the “Apocrypha” (Deuterocanonical books of the Bible):

October 16, 2008

 The Bible and the “Apocrypha” (Deuterocanonical books of the Bible):

  Apocrypha (Catholic Encyclopedia)
  Deuterocanonical Books of the Bible (called by Protestants the “Apocrypha”) (table of contents & links)
  Do we know which Scriptures are genuinely apostolic? (James Akin, Nazareth Resource Library) 
  The earliest records of the Biblical canon (books in the Bible) include the “Apocrypha”  
  The Old Testament Canon (record of the Church Fathers) (James Akin, Catholic Answers) 
  Canon of the Old Testament (Catholic Encyclopedia)
  Why are Protestant Bibles missing certain books of Scripture? (James Akin, Nazareth Resource Library) 
  What did the early Church Fathers have to say about the Old Testament Canon? (James Akin, Nazareth Resource Library)
  Which canon was used in the Gutenberg Bible? (James Akin, Nazareth Resource Library) 
  Questions and answers about the Book of Judith (James Akin, Nazareth Resource Library)

A Fantastic Article About The Clear Creek Benedictines…

October 16, 2008

found here.

Reuters: The Secret Stabbing Of John Paul II

October 15, 2008

From Reuters:

Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz also discloses that when John Paul was unable to pronounce words several days before his death in 2005, he told his aides that if he could not speak any more the time had come for him to die.

Dziwisz, who is now cardinal of Krakow, Poland, was John Paul’s private secretary and closest aide for nearly 40 years, including all of his 27 years as pontiff.

The documentary, called “Testimony” and narrated by British actor Michael York, is a film version of a memoir published by Dziwisz last year but Read the rest of this entry »

Re-Sacrificing Jesus?

October 15, 2008

Q. Are there any theological differences between the old mass and the new mass of 1970?I grew up in the church after Vatican Two so I do not know much about the old tridentine latin mass.

A. There are no theological differences between the old Latin mass and the new one. None. The dogmas and doctrines have not changed and cannot change. I think that is one of the main points that the Pope wanted to make by freeing the Latin Mass from the control of Bishops–Vatican II did NOT CHANGE THE CHURCH AND MOST OF THE CHANGES WE HAVE HAD WERE NEVER RECOMMENDED LET ALONE COMMANDED BY VATICAN II. I think perhaps he would like to go back and try it again. Vatican II was meant merely to refresh the Church.

Q. Do catholics with the old mass have to comeback every Sunday to be atoned for? Because, I read that the prayers of the old mass were. ” receive this spotless host which I your humble servant offer to thee to atone for my numberless sins and offences”or something close to this.

A. NO. Jesus died once for our salvation. He atoned for the eternal consequences of our sin. He is ETERNAL and His sacrifice is ETERNAL. We are the ones trapped in time and need to return to receive Bread From Heaven at each mass to strengthen us on our journey.

Q. My brother who is a Presbyterian said he thought that the Catholic mass was were the priest offered up a sacrifice for you and the souls being purified in purgatory.



A. No that is not Theologically correct.

The mass is a RE-Presentation to God of the ONE sacrifice of Christ. Jesus is not re-sacrificed. He makes Himself present to us under the appearance of bread and wine for our sake–in order to be fed by HIM.

We do need to come and receive forgiveness for our sins over the past week or day, however. That is why there are several places in the mass where we ask for forgiveness.

We who are in time return to Calvary to partake of that ONE sacrifice. Yes, this is done in an unbloody manner in obedience to Jesus Christ. We actually receive sanctifying grace in communion if we are free from mortal sin, otherwise we compound our sin.

October 15: Blessed Narciso Basté Basté

October 15, 2008

Blessed Narciso Basté Basté
1866 – 1936 Read the rest of this entry »

October 14: Blessed Ana María Aranda Riera

October 14, 2008

Blessed Ana María Aranda Riera
1888 – 1936

DhimmiWatch: “We Need Slaves To Build Monuments”

October 14, 2008

5 bob to DhimmiWatch which writes: “We Need Slaves To Build Monuments”

“We need slaves to build monuments”

Immigrant workers treated in slave-like conditions in Dubai. And why not? With attitudes like this to be found on the Arabian peninsula, this is hardly surprising. “In the shadows of splendour,” by Ghaith Abdul-Ahad in WAToday, October 13 (thanks to JE):

[…] All of these men are part of a huge scam that is helping the construction boom in the Gulf. Like hundreds of thousands of migrant workers, they each paid more than 1000 ($A2559) to employment agents in India and Pakistan. They were promised double the wages they are actually getting, plus plane tickets to visit their families once a year, but none of the men in the room had actually read their contract. Only two of them knew Read the rest of this entry »

Why Aren’t Protestant Churches “churches”?

October 13, 2008

Q. Why did the pope say that all the Protestant Churches are not really Churches in the recent Vatican document? June 29, 2007

A. Because the definition that the Catholic Church has for “church” is very specific. This was not published as a put-down of the Protestant’s. It was a point of clarification about the definition that the Catholic Church has for the word “Church”. The Pope has a right to express what we believe. The Catholic Church sees herself as The Church founded by Jesus Christ 2000 years ago. She does not see herself as just another denomination among many.

A body of Christians would be classified as a CHURCH if it has retained authentic sacraments even though the church itself is not in union with the Catholic Church. Thus, the Eastern Orthodox CHURCHES, although separated, have maintained true apostolic succession-the priesthood and the Eucharist.

However, the Protestant “churches” rejected physical apostolic succession, sacraments, and the Eucharist as celebrated in the Catholic Church, after the Reformation. Therefore, they do not possess apostolic succession, nor do they even claim that their ministers have all been ordained, in an unbroken, physical line back to the apostles, by the laying on of hands. And, except for Lutherans and Anglicans most do not believe they are receiving the real body and blood of Christ in communion. For this reason, we call them Ecclesial Communities. But as you will see from the quotes below, these communities are related to the Catholic Church and Christ.

In the document the Pope says

we affirm that the Church of Christ is present and operative in Churches and ecclesial communities not yet fully in union with the Catholic Church, on account of the elements of sanctification and truth that are present in them.

It follows that these separated churches and Communities, though we believe they suffer from defects, are deprived neither of significance or importance in the mystery of salvation. In fact the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation, whose value derives from that fullness of grace and of truth which has been entrusted to the Catholic Church

Thus we say with sacred scripture,

There is ONE body and ONE Spirit—just as you were called to ONE hope when you were called— ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism; ONE God and Father of all..” Ephesians 4:5-6

This Document is only two pages long and easy to read. I would encourage you to read exactly what was said rather than rely on the media ( because they don’t understand the finer points of faith many times.)
For the actual document Click here.

Meet St. Gianna a new patroness for LIFE

October 13, 2008

St. Gianna

This is a movie dedicated to a new Catholic saint. She sacrificed her life to save her unborn baby girl.  Gianna Jessen has taken her name.  Watch for references to St. Gianna to sweep the culture as she embodies the boldness and moral courage so sorely lacking among us in modern life.

From the Vatican website:

While working in the field of medicine-which she considered a “mission” and practiced as such-she increased her generous service to Catholic Action, especially among the “very young” and, at the same time, expressed her joie de vivre and love of creation through skiing and mountaineering. Through her prayers and those of others, she reflected upon her vocation, which she also considered a gift from God. Having chosen the vocation of marriage, she embraced it with complete enthusiasm and wholly dedicated herself “to forming a truly Christian family”. Read the rest of this entry »

ZENIT: “As Christians of Her Country Face Persecution” Meet Saint Alfonsa of the Immaculate Conception. 

October 12, 2008

ZENIT: India to Have 1st Female Saint, As Christians of Her Country Face Persecution

ROME, OCT. 10, 2008 ( As Christians in India continue to face persecution for their faith, they will have a new advocate in the figure of soon-to-be St. Alfonsa of the Immaculate Conception. Blessed Alfonsa (born Anna Muttathupadathu) is one of four people to be canonized by Benedict XVI this Sunday. The other Read the rest of this entry »

Prolife issues–Assisted suicide in nursing homes in Switzerland

October 12, 2008

Prolife issues–Assisted suicide in nursing homes in Switzerland, writes the fascinating blog What’s Wrong With The World

No opportunities for coercion there!

I mean we can be assured that the Swiss will never encourage their most needy patients to consider this option, right?

Yea, I don’t buy it either.

On a somberly related note, LifeSite reports: “New Study Shows 26% in Oregon Who Requested Suicide Were Experiencing Depression”

Pray for the Swiss.

Einstein On The Church In Nazi Germany

October 12, 2008

5 bob to the East Anglia Seminarians who point out:

Albert Einstein, a secular Jew, had this to say:

‘Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks….

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.’

– Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38

October 12: Blessed Pacifico de Valencia

October 12, 2008

Blessed Pacifico de Valencia
1874 – 1936

Latin is a Dead Language

October 11, 2008

Q.What is the point of saying mass in Latin? It is a dead language.

A.Yes, Latin is a dead language and that is precisely why it is so useful. The meaning of the words do not change as they do in living languages. Because of this, what the Church teaches and prays remains constant and unchanging, just as it should. The essential doctrines of Christianity must not change, and the safest way to preserve them intact is to keep them in an unchangeable, “dead” language.

Latin is the liturgical language of the Western Catholic Church, just as Hebrew is the official liturgical language still used in the Synagogue.

In the Latin Mass, that Pope Benedict, recently liberalized in his motu proprio (personal intitiative), Summorum Pontificum, when the Priest is speaking not to men, but to God in the name of men, during communal prayers and the liturgy of the Eucharist he will speak in the language of the Church-in Latin. When on the other, hand he speaks to the people, he will speak in the local language. The homily/sermon is never in Latin.

If the faithful do not know Latin they can use a missal that has both the English and the Latin translations side by side. I am very pleased. I have only been Catholic for eight years but I had a weird experience shortly after coming into the Church.

As a convert I was especially excited about the fact that the Catholic Church was THE ORIGINAL CHURCH founded by Jesus Christ Himself. This was evidenced to me by the unchanging aspect of Her doctrine, especially how the beliefs of the Church today could be found in the first centuries of the writings of the Church Fathers. I had also learned how the Latin Language Read the rest of this entry »

October 11: Blessed Ángel Ramos Velázquez

October 11, 2008

Blessed Ángel Ramos Velázquez
1876 – 1936

St. Francis Magazine: Allah no longer has 99 most beautiful names

October 10, 2008

From the interestingly named Evangelical blog “St. Francis Magazine”:

Allah no longer has 99 most beautiful names

During the last weeks, scholars at al-Azhar have agreed to dump some of Allah’s most beautiful names. The firebrand sheikh Yusuf al-Badri has even started a courtcase in Egypt to forbid any singing of the 99 most beautiful names.

What is happening to Islam? Are the foundations shaking? Ah.. it is this Coptic-Orthdox priest Zakaria. On his daily TV program on LifeTV (owned by Joyce Meyer by the way…) he has been tearing these 99 names apart. And Islamic scholars had to agree with him. How can you call Allah, just to give a few examples, The Hurtful (al-Dharr), or the Useful (al-Nafia). Read the rest of this entry »

October 10: Blessed Angela Maria Truszkowska

October 10, 2008

Blessed Angela Maria Truszkowska
1825 – 1899 Read the rest of this entry »

Summorum Pontificum-Latin Gregorian Mass

October 9, 2008

Q. Why has Pope Benedict XVI given all priests the freedom to say Mass in Latin?

A. To re-focus the Church on the documents of Vatican II. What the Motu Proprio did was give permission for every priest to say mass according to the 1962 Rite. Up until now it was up to the local bishop who could or could not celebrate the Latin Mass in his diocese. The Novus Ordo is in Latin. This has been translated into the local languages of the faithful and Latin has always been permitted in the Novus Ordo. It just was seldom done…

As Archbishop Ranjith, Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship said:

“Today the problems of the liturgy center on language (vernacular translations or Latin) and the position of the priest, whether he faces the assembly or faces God. I will surprise you here:

Nowhere in Vatican II does it say that the priest must face the assembly, nor that the use of Latin is forbidden!

The use of the common language is permitted, notably in the liturgy of the Word, but the decree (Vatican II) is very clear that the use of the Latin language should be maintained in the Latin Rite. It must be clarified that the Latin ritual has not been outlawed.”

“And it is certain that a new generation is seeking a greater orientation toward mystery. Once again, it is not a question of being progressive or conservative, but simply of permitting man to pray, to listen to the voice of the Lord. What happens in the celebration of the Lord’s glory is not merely a human reality. If one forgets this mystical aspect, everything gets mixed up and confused. If the liturgy loses its mystical and heavenly dimension, then who is left to help man free himself from his egoism and self-enslavement? The liturgy must be a road to freedom, in opening man to the infinite.”

It really is so much more fitting that during the Eucharistic Liturgy, when the Priest offers the Sacrifice of the Mass to God on behalf of the faithful, that the priest faces God and the altar along with the congregation. The ritual tradition is towards the East, in the direction of the the rising sun, Light of Christ.

October 9: Blessed Julián Alfredo, Martyr of Spain

October 9, 2008

Blessed Julián Alfredo
1904 – 1934

Contradistinction Essential To The Eastern Orthodox Convert?

October 8, 2008

In a recent post over at the blog Eastern Orthodox Christianity 2.0 entitled St. Gregory, Illuminator of Armenia the author – an ex-Catholic and convert to the Greek Orthodox Church – uses the occasion of the Feast of Saint Gregory of Armenia to touch on the hagiography of our venerable father among the saints. 

The post notes that veneration of Saint Gregory the Illuminator is most commonly found and very dear among the Armenian people whose largest church is the Armenian Apostolic Church – a church of the Oriental Orthodox communion that is NOT in communion with the Eastern Orthodox Communion and has not been since the schism that erupted after the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon.

Curiously, the opportunity is taken to make the following observation:

We have not been in communion since approximately Chalcedon, even though the Church of Rome now allows communion with Orthodox, Orientals, Assyrians, and Polish National Catholics, under certain circumstances– a permission which some Orthodox regard with suspicion, since it was extended without agreement with us Orthodox, and in full knowledge that Orthodoxy forbids Orthodox to partake of non-Orthodox mysteries / sacraments, and vice-versa.

The seguay into the semantic polemics against the Catholic Church – without any explination or link to the nuanced allowances for communion for non-Catholics that come from true Churches – is an odd and curious one to me. It seems irrelevant to the feast and rather unwarranted in the post. One is left to wonder, why is it brought up?

As often as not, in reading my way through English language texts of Eastern Orthodox scholars, the recurring theme I find (in some writers far more so than others) is an incessant need for contradistinction against the Catholic Church.

Why is this?

Catholics, Tithing & Cable

October 8, 2008

In a most recent discussion I had with a priest friend of mine the topic of tithing came up.  A common enough practice in the Evangelical world and Jewish, tithing is the donation of 10% of one’s household income to support of the Church.

As Catholics, we have no set rule or precept – as far as I know – for the support of the Catholic Church, our parishes or our charities at least as far as a preset and determined amount of income as a standard.  That being said, one of the precept ofs the Church is to “provide for the needs of the Church.” (See CCC 2041-2043).

That being said, it occurs to me… Well if one’s household cable budget exceeds one’s offerings to the work of Christ in His Church (and frankly, to look for a study that examines this would likely be too depressing) it might be time to reconsider one’s household expenses.

Just a thought.

The Curt Jester: Catholic Vote 1860

October 8, 2008

A post of parody genius from The Curt Jester:

I am a Catholic and I am anti-slavery. I deplore slavery and have been an active part of the abolitionist movement. But this November of the year of Our Lord 1860 I am voting for Stephen A. Douglas.

Now I know my announcement will befuddle many Catholics who think that Abraham Lincoln is the only possible choice if you are truly as anti-slavery as I say I am. Some of my friends ask me how can I possibly support Senator Douglas when he was largely responsible for the Compromise of 1850 and supported the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision of 1857?

Though Senator Douglas does not regard a slaveholding society as one whit inferior to a free society I think he is the best choice to reduce slavery. The Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854 proves that he is pro-choice on the issue of slavery since the act allowed these new states coming into the union to make up their own mind as to whether slavery should be allowed in their territory. He lets the people in the state decide as to whether slavery is moral or immoral. Surely this will limit slavery and as we work for a more just society more and more slaveowners will decide to reduce the number of slaves they own. Just because Sen. Douglas has invoked racist rhetoric and accused Lincoln of supporting black equality which he believes the authors of the Declaration of Independence did not intend, does not mean that he is pro-slavery. Even supporters of slavery can be conflicted about slavery and whether blacks are equal to us or not and we should work to move to a society where slavery is safe, legal, and rare. Plus it is not true to call him pro-slavery. He is for the choice of slavery and people can decide on their own whether they want to become slaveowners or not. Shouldn’t we let people make their own choices on this issue? Do we really want to legislate morality? Now as a Catholic I personally believe that slavery is wrong, but lawmakers need to represent the people.

Catholics should not be single issue voters and let slavery dominate the discussion. Human dignity and the acceptance of the government of human rights is just one issue of many. What about economic and other social justice issues? The election of Lincoln could even lead to civil war. Do we want a president whose “personal” moral code could lead us to war with all of the horrific deaths that could result? Plus if a war does start no doubt someone like Mr Lincoln would infringe on our civil liberties by suspending the right of Habeas Corpus.

This year the best choice to reduce slavery is to vote Sen. Douglas.

Signed Douglas Kmiec

Go to the original post to read some of the pure gold in the combox, or leave a comment yourself. So far my favorite combox entries are
by By Heather on October 1, 2008 6:17 PM

If you don’t like slaves, don’t have one!
Keep your rosaries off my slaveries!
Slavery, it’s safe and legal.

…and by Scott W. on October 1, 2008 6:42 PM

How many slaves have YOU bought, freed, and given a job? If you haven’t, then all your anti-slavery talk is empty rhetoric.

To read or leave comments on this post, go here.

5 bob to Dr. Eric.

Those Poor Clares! (Well, Not Really…)

October 8, 2008

NOTE: The Franciscan sisters involved with this novel approach to tax evasion should NOT be confused with the Poor Clares of the Archdiocese!

The Not so Poor “Poor Clares” at Loyola Chicago

“For a church organization to hide behind this tax scam, a tax scam for millionaires, you are denying needed revenue to schools, hospitals and public transportation,” Novak told the I-Team when we first reported the story, “Building Resentment” in January.

Like Euro-nobles whose bank accounts are empty, but whose wine cellars still have a few cases left…

Once again the patrimony of the Church – bought and paid for with the contributions of poor, working class Americans who sacrificed mightily to buy property and build beautiful buildings – is being co-opted to fund the now-dying communities that own them.