Will the Feminists Riot?

This week a Catholic blogger came out in support of Barack Obama despite the candidate’s position on abortion. More interesting to me than that a liberal blogger at the controversial Vox Nova would ignore the evil of abortion was a comment to the effect that Feminists would riot if Roe v. Wade were overturned. I had never thought of this. Here is digbydolben’s comment:

What often fascinates me about Americans is not just how divided your country is, but, also, how little certain elements of the population know other elements: obviously a great many people writing here have little or no knowledge of the millions of “feminists” presently living in America who consider the right to “control their reproductive systems” as a basic human right now.

I, however, have known many of this type of “modern woman” during my time in the United States, and I can tell you, “Father J,” that, if you succeeded in criminalizing abortion in certain states, or if you succeeded in passing an Amendment to the Constitution repealing Roe vs Wade, or if the Supreme Court were tipped by Republican appointments toward a reversal of Roe vs. Wade, these women would take to the streets; they’d burn your courthouses down, their feelings regarding this “right” are so strong.

When you move this issue out of the realm of personal morality, out of a realm where it might be considered a “social problem” that can be somewhat mitigated by education and financing of a greater opportunity to “choose life,” and into the realm of coercion by means of the ballot box or the courts, what you’re asking for in modern America is civil strife on a level unparalleled in your country since the Civil War.

That’s why I believe that deciding one’s vote for the Presidency in 2008 purely on the basis of this single issue is a profoundly unpatriotic thing for an American to do.

I replied in a piecemeal fashion there, let me give a more considered response here.

I am not sure I agree that a reversal on abortion in the US would result in the same violence as the Civil War, but even if it did, that might be justifiable. The Civil War as understood by President Lincoln and generations since as a kind of reparation for the injustice of slavery. Abortion is a far more heinous crime against humanity than slavery.

One ought to be familiar with one of America’s most important political speeches, Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address in which he said the following:

“Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.””

The mere preservation of property is not the highest value for a Catholic. The end of abortion would clearly be worth the burning of every American courthouse and more. If that were the cost, I would say “Let them burn!”

The reason for this strong stand is that the nature of abortion is fundamentally reprehensible, even more so than slavery. We can now save a child born weighing only 10.2 onces. But that same baby can be hacked to death at his mother’s pleasure. A drunk driver causes an accident resulting in a pregnant mother to lose her child and it is murder. If she were on her way to an abortion mill, she could have it chopped into bits or chemically incinerated while she watches TV, all for a wad of cash.

America is at odds with itself because we are an immoral nation. And reparation is a Catholic concept. So, if God were to will that every every drop of blood drawn by the abortionist should be paid by another drawn at a riot, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said today, “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

This may seem nuts to some:

Michael Iafrate:

I don’t usually say this about people outright, Father, but you sound a little nuts to me.

To the charge that I am nuts, let me respond (although it should not be necessary for a blogger to use ad hominems, it seems to be a perennial problem at Vox Nova).

I have never advocated violence, and never will. However, for the greater good, I would be willing to suffer violence. If that is nuts, then all the martyrs are nuts, especially those who gave their lives for nothing more than refusing to pinch some incense before a pagan statue.

The willingness to suffer violence for a greater good is at the very heart of the Gospel-–turn your cheek, better to lose an eye, better to be cast in the sea with a millstone, forgive them Father, etc.

If the price of ending abortion were riots, and courthouse burnings, that would be a terrible thing. The riots, however, would more likely result in Catholic Church burnings and the hunting down of pro-life Catholic priests. I am not predicting it, welcoming it, hoping for it or much less calling for it. But, I would be willing to suffer it, if God called me to it.

So, maybe I am nuts, as you say. If so, what are you willing to be nuts for, Michael?


10 Responses to Will the Feminists Riot?

  1. You’re obviously not familiar with my writing at VN, Father.

  2. What is also interesting is that Fr J does not understand the term “liberal” is an ad hominem. “Oh, he’s a liberal… therefore he is wrong.” Even if the label does not fit; but then again, when did ad hominems have to fit? And Fr J’s “they are bullies” agreement with Mark Shea is also indicative of the kind of ad hominem that Fr J is more than willing to engage. Yet, to me, it’s quite clear who is trying to bully people on the net: “You don’t agree with me, I’m going to show you!”

  3. Fr. J. says:

    In modern parlance liberal is the opposite of conservative. Hello. It is a little late to return to the 19th century meaning of the term liberal. So, if you are a liberal, own it and move on. Just show me where I have bullied someone.

    This post really isnt so much about Vox Nova as it is about the idea of feminists rioting. If I could have written about the comment without reference to Vox Nova, I would have.

  4. “You are a liberal” = ad hominem. It’s a way to dismiss without dealing with arguments. And you know it. And the method of discourse where you will not engage in issues, but dismiss people with labels, and tell them to “just accept it” when they say no is a tactic of a polemical bully.

  5. Charles R. Williams says:

    Reversing R v W means it will be theoretically possible to regulate abortion at the local level. Feminists will succeed in keeping abortion legal in parts of the country through the political process. Violent resistance to the law on their part would be counter-productive. Resistance to the law would probably take the form of first-trimester abortions performed by feminists without medical credentials, jury nullification and the like.

    I agree with Father J, though, that while we should be concerned about the violence we should not let it deter us from what has to be done.

  6. jh says:

    Father as to if the Feminist would be burnng COurt Houses down I would say no. That Commenter is constantly giving his two cents about the American populqance and I have yet to see any special insight he has

  7. Rob says:

    People who cry ‘bully’ are usually wusses.

  8. If they did such a thing, then their true colors would be shown, but then again, never underestimate human’s ability to be apathetic.

  9. James G says:

    Touchy a bit much, eh Karlson?

    James G

  10. james g says:

    Feminists would never riot; they don’t have the cojones to do such a thing (pun intended). I’ve known quite a few such types and while they’re militant enough to advocate violence they’re not about to do it themselves. No, such as they are only able to be tough with the backing of state-violence. Their own murders are antiseptic; they couldn’t stomach getting their hands dirty to do them.

    James G

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