Bread From Heaven: I know Protestants often believe that baptism is optional or done only out of obedience. But, on what authority do you just completely ignore so many other verses ?
Bread From Heaven: Are certain verses so important that other verses may safely be dismissed?
April: In John 3:5, Jesus is talking about being born from your Mother in water, meaning you have to be human.
Bread From Heaven: This is a Protestant interpretation to explain away the necessity of baptism. The verse says NOTHING about birth water. It says nothing about normal childbirth. This is purely a Protestant tradition.
John 3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Jesus tells Nicodemus he must be born again. Nicodemus specifically asks Jesus how he can be born when he is old. There is no reference to normal childbirth. They are talking about being BORN AGAIN. Jesus’ answer, born of water and of the Spirit. I guess it could be interpreted it as childbirth but there is no historical evidence that it ever was. Why, when Nicodemus wants to know how he can be born when he is old, Jesus would tell him first he had to be born of woman? Duh! Do you think Nicodemus didn’t know a person had to be born first to be saved? They aren’t talking about the qualifications for salvation with a need to specify being human. Besides are there not birth waters for most mammals?
Not only this, Titus specifically mentions being saved through the washing of REBIRTH.
Titus 3:5 He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy
April: Imposing that you can’t be saved without being baptized is completely unbiblical.
Read Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Bread From Heaven: I did not say that one cannot be saved without baptism. Many will be saved who were never baptized. But, that is God’s call not ours. We have no authority to make baptism optional. Salvation is actually multifaceted. We must believe, be baptized, love God and neighbor, obey God, repent, confess our sin, eat and drink the body and blood of Christ etc. Do you honestly believe that a person can just say “Jesus is Lord” and believe this and he will be saved not matter whether he loves God, loves his neighbor, obeys God etc? Really? There are many scriptures linking many things to salvation and eternal life. The Protestant doctrine of Faith Alone does not cohere with all of scripture.
How is it unbiblical? It just contradicts the Protestant doctrine of Faith Alone. It certainly does not contradict anything in the Bible nor is it not found in scripture. The verse you quoted in Romans is linking salvation to two of the many facets of salvation. But the way you are interpreting it and applying it contradicts all of the following verses. How do you explain away:
John 3:3…Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved …
Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
1 Peter 3:20-21 ..when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you …
St. Paul also speaks of baptism through which we enter into Christ in order to live and he it is who wrote the verse you quoted above.
Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Titus 3:5 He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,