Necessity of Baptism

April: This is wrong. You do not have to be baptized in water to be saved.

Bread From Heaven: I know Protestants often believe that baptism is optional or done only out of obedience. But, on what authority do you just completely ignore so many other verses ?

Bread From Heaven: Are certain verses so important that other verses may safely be dismissed?

April: In John 3:5, Jesus is talking about being born from your Mother in water, meaning you have to be human.

Bread From Heaven: This is a Protestant interpretation to explain away the necessity of baptism. The verse says NOTHING about birth water. It says nothing about normal childbirth. This is purely a Protestant tradition.

John 3:3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Jesus tells Nicodemus he must be born again. Nicodemus specifically asks Jesus how he can be born when he is old. There is no reference to normal childbirth. They are talking about being BORN AGAIN. Jesus’ answer, born of water and of the Spirit. I guess it could be interpreted it as childbirth but there is no historical evidence that it ever was. Why, when Nicodemus wants to know how he can be born when he is old, Jesus would tell him first he had to be born of woman? Duh! Do you think Nicodemus didn’t know a person had to be born first to be saved? They aren’t talking about the qualifications for salvation with a need to specify being human. Besides are there not birth waters for most mammals?

Not only this, Titus specifically mentions being saved through the washing of REBIRTH.

Titus 3:5 He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy

April: Imposing that you can’t be saved without being baptized is completely unbiblical.

Read Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Bread From Heaven: I did not say that one cannot be saved without baptism. Many will be saved who were never baptized. But, that is God’s call not ours. We have no authority to make baptism optional. Salvation is actually multifaceted. We must believe, be baptized, love God and neighbor, obey God, repent, confess our sin, eat and drink the body and blood of Christ etc. Do you honestly believe that a person can just say “Jesus is Lord” and believe this and he will be saved not matter whether he loves God, loves his neighbor, obeys God etc? Really? There are many scriptures linking many things to salvation and eternal life. The Protestant doctrine of Faith Alone does not cohere with all of scripture.

How is it unbiblical? It just contradicts the Protestant doctrine of Faith Alone. It certainly does not contradict anything in the Bible nor is it not found in scripture. The verse you quoted in Romans is linking salvation to two of the many facets of salvation. But the way you are interpreting it and applying it contradicts all of the following verses. How do you explain away:

John 3:3…Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved

Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.   Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

1 Peter 3:20-21 ..when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you

St. Paul also speaks of baptism through which we enter into Christ in order to live and he it is who wrote the verse you quoted above.

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Titus 3:5 He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

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11 Responses to Necessity of Baptism

  1. April says:

    I find it very peculiar that you left out the bulk of what I said (and the most important, I might add) and yet left everything you said in. You are leading people astray and you will unfortunately find out the hard way when you will not be allowed to enter the gates of Heaven.

    • bfhu says:

      Bread From Heaven: April has accused me of leaving out the bulk of what she said. I went back to look and here is her whole comment. Judge for yourself. Or you can see it in the comment section Do You Have to Be Baptized?

      April: This is wrong. You do not have to be baptized in water to be saved. In John 3:5, Jesus is talking about being born from your Mother in water, meaning you have to be human. Imposing that you can’t be saved without being baptized is completely unbiblical. Read Romans 10:9-13:

      “9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

      What did I leave out?

  2. April says:

    Baptism symbolizes Jesus’ death and resurrection, and our decision to partake in the benefits of His sacrifice. Paul pointed to the fact that salvation doesn’t require water baptism when he wrote to the Corinthians:

    “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel – not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.”

    Paul definitely would not say that if salvation were necessary to go to heaven. Possibly the most damaging evidence against the belief that baptism is a requirement for salvation is found in Acts 10:

    “While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
    Then Peter said, “Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

    The Holy Spirit was poured out onto the Gentiles, who had never been baptized in water. It is not for man to enforce anything that God has not enforced.

  3. SR says:

    “Being born from your Mother in water, meaning you have to be human??? Puh-lease??? The amniotic fluid which surrounds a baby first starts out as water with electrolytes. This fluid is inhaled and exhaled by the baby. At around 8 weeks the kidneys begin to function and the baby begins to “urinate” inside of the sack, from the fluid it has inhaled. At about 12-14 weeks proteins, carbs, lipids, and urea are found. This fluid (urine) protects the baby from harm. The term “water breaking,” is just a term given so one can recognize when labor has begun. The fluid in the sack is produced mainly by the fetus itself, through it’s own kidneys. I do not think I have ever heard Jesus say, “You must be born of the “urine” and the Spirit???” I also worked in the medical profession for twenty years.

    What happens when we are baptized? The same thing which happened to Christ. We receive the Holy Spirit and God is welcoming us into His unity of believers. (I am not talking about being baptized with the evidence of speaking in tongues) We receive Him and He begins to live inside of us from that moment. Tongues are another gift from the Holy Spirit all together and not all will have this gift. But when we are baptized all will receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The two things are totally separate. (I was Protestant many more years than I have been Catholic, so I know where all of this teaching is coming from)

    The Bible clearly states for all who go by Scripture alone, that being baptized “saves us.” So please do not ignore this teaching, just because it is something you do not want to believe. Go find out what it “saves” you from. One cannot pick a Scripture and toss it aside just because it goes against the grain of their beliefs. The Word of God has no error in it, and being “saved” through baptism is one thing The Bible teaches.

    So do we just throw this part of Scripture out, because it is not “politically correct?’ If you do not believe “baptism saves us” then what do we do with the Scripture that says it does?

    God Bless, SR

    • April says:

      You clearly didn’t read the whole passage. Let me prove to you that he is talking about being born initially. This is John 3:1-8:

      1 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
      3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

      4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

      5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

      There are two conditions to enter the kingdom of God. Which comes first? “Born of water,” according to the verse. Does baptism precede being born of the Spirit in the believer? Jesus clarifies what He means in the next verse, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Being born of water is referring to being born physically (the water referring to the amniotic fluid that breaks as one is born). This is why He said “You must be born again.” The first birth is the birth from water, or the flesh. The second is to be born of the Spirit, which is of God. I think it is pretty clear that the verse does not refer to baptism, but to the first birth. At this point, the “entering” is for anyone who is born again (i.e., born of the Spirit).

      Let’s go over the specific text in question. Verse 3 says that one must be born again to see the kingdom of God. Verse 5 says that one must be born of water AND the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. The text tells us that these requirements are one and the same.

      In stating that one must be born again, Jesus referred to 2 births – the first the physical birth on Earth. Nicodemus recognized this as the first requirement, since he stated that a man cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb (John 3:4). In the very next statement he explains the two kinds of birth. “Born of water” refers to the physical birth, whereas “born of the Spirit” refers to being “born again” or the second birth. In the next verse, Jesus clarifies the statement explaining that “born of water” refers to being “born of flesh.” Jesus was clear and direct. There is no mention of baptism anywhere. “Born of water” never refers to baptism in any other verse in the entire Bible. The Greek word used is “hudwr”. The Greek word for baptism is “baptisma”. If Jesus had wanted to refer to baptism, He would have used this word. In fact, the word (or a variation of it) occurs 112 times in the New Testament.

    • April says:

      P.S. If you want me to refute all the other verses referring to water baptism not being required for salvation, read the other article on this website called, “Do you have to be baptized to be saved?” God bless

  4. SR says:

    April,

    The “water” is not referring to the amniotic fluid as in the Greek the original meaning of the word it means like “rain.” Water. The amniotic fluid is urine. Now even though you have given me Scripture after Scripture you still did not answer my question.

    What do you do with the Scripture that says baptism saves us? Just throw those out? What does it save us from? That is all I am wanting to know from you. God Bless, SR

  5. SR says:

    April,

    Until you answer those two questions I am not going to respond to you anymore. I am not being rude however I have read the Bible for years. I know what it says and do not need it re-written for me. I prefer not to “argue” the Word of God. I also prefer not to skip over Scripture just because I do not understand the meaning of what is being said, or it goes against what I want to believe. God Bless, SR

  6. H.Davis says:

    Peter does NOT say baptism saves us! We must read the WHOLE verse,and examine the context as with all scripture.
    l Peter 3:21 “Which antiype [anti tupos- symbolically Greek]now also saves us,even baptism-NOT the putting away of the filth of the flesh[sin],but the answer of a good conscience towards God through the ressurection of Jesus Christ…”
    So when we read verse 20″…in the days of Noah,while the ark was being prepared-in which a few,that is eight souls were saved through water:” Peter then says as above which figure or type baptism saves us.It was God who saved them not the water!They were IN the ark of life.
    The ark symbolized Christ and it had one door. Jesus said he was the door.There was only one way to get in.God closed this door as per Gen.account -not Noah so it all of God or the way of salvation for them and us as Peter is saying.Jesus said “I am [not baptism or some ritual] the way,the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through Me[not baptism].
    The ark ‘saved’ them ‘through the water’which destroyed everyone and everything!
    As Paul says “being buried [immersed!-not poured or sprinkled!]WITH HIM or Jesus..”Romans 6:4 He is already IN us by our acceptance,full repentance and faith in Him BEFORE were are baptized.
    “Being buried [immeresed]WITH Him in baptism [to immerse]…”Col.2:12a
    Anyway Peter clearly says baptism does NOT rid us of sin which he calls the “filth of the flesh.”He says baptism is a type or symbol.

    • bfhu says:

      Peter clearly says baptism now saves you. Yes, he is pointing to the salvation of Noah and his family through water pointing out that just as they were saved through water so no we too are saved in the waters of baptism. We believe GOD saves us too it is not magical water but the power of God through water that saves us. Noah was obedient to God and built an ark. And thus he was saved. God could have saved him even if Noah refused to build an ark, but would He have saved him in his disobedience? God can save us without water baptism but will he if we just decide to disobey based on our own ideas?

      I Peter 3:21 …a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the [p]water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God [q]for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

      Peter absolutely does NOT say that baptism does not rid of of sin. That is your imposed interpretation. The scripture most certain may be interpreted differently than that.

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