Catholics Don’t Know the Bible?


D: The Bible is very clear that Mary herself stated she was in need of a saviour in Luke. Jesus is the only mediator.

BFHU: Please see how Mary was saved HERE and that Catholics believe Jesus is the one mediator Here.

We do not believe anything that contradicts the Bible. Our beliefs do however, contradict Protestant beliefs and Protestant interpretations of the Bible.

D.The problem is that most Catholics don’t know the bible and don’t know that it says do all things in thought word and deed in the Name of Jesus.

BFHU: You are mistaken. You think we do not know what is in the Bible b/c we believe things that you think contradict the Bible but our beliefs merely contradict Protestants. Because Protestants mistakenly believe that all that they believe and teach is infallible truth, Protestants jump to the wrong conclusion: That Catholics don’t know the Bible.

The fact is that Protestants are blind to the fact that they interpret the Bible one way and Catholics interpret it another way. And they rarely actually have an understanding of any depth whatsoever of what the Catholic Faith actually teaches.

D: Jesus said it was finished on the cross we don’t need a co-redemptrix.

BFHU: Mary is Co-Redemptrix simply because she participated in our redemption by receiving the Eternal Word into her body, giving Him Flesh from her flesh, giving birth, and raising the Son of God to adulthood. It means nothing more than this which every Protestant also believes. You object to a word without knowing what we actually mean by it.

D: Only Jesus can forgive sins.

BFHU: John 20:22 22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If YOU forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if YOU do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Of course the priest is acting as an agent of Jesus and God IS the one who ultimately forgives sin. But you may have missed that Bible verse. Not too many sermons are given on it.

D: I am very sad that your church is drunk on the Blood of the real saints.

BFHU: This is a Protestant Urban Legend. Could you please name all these saints?

D: A church that bases it’s doctrine on obedience to men instead of obedience to the Word of God.

BFHU: We obey Christ and those He has placed to govern the Church. We do obey the Word of God. None of the teachings of our Popes or Church contradict the Word of God. But our teachings do contractict Protestant teachings.

D: Traditions of men will not save.

BFHU: I totally Agree.
The Traditions that we follow are not “traditions of men” but the very teaching of the Apostles. These teachings were taught to the apostles by Jesus. And even St. Paul tells us:

2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.

D: Jesus does not live in a gold box on the alter and he does not live in graven images.

BFHU: I see, again, that you lack understanding. We do not think Jesus lives in a gold box or in statues.

But we do believe that the bread and wine become the body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ as He said, “This is My Body. This is My Blood.” We take Him literally and therefore reserve the Body of our Lord hidden under the appearance of Bread in the Golden Tabernacle. Just like, in the OT the tabernacle held the Law, the staff of Moses’ authority to rule, and the bread from Heaven, manna so our tabernacles contain all of these and more because Jesus IS the Law, Authority par excellance, and the Bread From Heaven.

D: My wife is a former Roman Catholic and she left because she found she needed more than these traditions.

BFHU: She left the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist? ! What more could there ever be than HIM? She must not have been well taught the Catholic Faith. She is looking for that which was in the Catholic Church all along.

D: My wife found, as the scripture says, we have direct access to the throne of grace and that throne of grace is Jesus. The one mediator. We are all saints if we are saved. It does not take a council of men to vote us in as saints. This to is in the bible.

BFHU: We too believe all of this. As I said she was not taught her catechism well. The canonized Saints, are raised to the altar as especially good examples for us to emulate. It does not meant we are all not saints also.

D: Nothing against catholics personally,
but I challenge you to search out the scriptures for yourself and you will find not a Pope, not a priest nor any other person can impart unto you what Jesus can .

BFHU: I would encourage you to read my posts in the category POPE, priest, because I am afraid you have been told by men that these things are not in the Bible…but they are!

D: Only He can forgive your sins. Only by HIs Blood. The Roman church stated that Peter the Apostle was the first Pope and yet the Peter in the Bible in Acts chapter II said Repent and be Baptized everyone of you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

BFHU: You must have been taught that Catholics worship the Pope or something. Having a pope does not negate the saving work of Christ, repentance, and baptism. We affirm belief in this. Our Pope is simply Christ’s special representative on Earth. Jesus left us with tangible guidance into all Truth. We do not each have to interpret scripture on our own and do what seems right in our own eyes. Been there done that…it is exhausting and yet leaves one insecure. This insecurity has the effect of giving birth to PRIDE as we try to convince everyone around us that OUR interpretation is correct and others are in error…….

D:There is a diference between obedience to men and a relationship with Jesus.

BFHU: Our listening to the teaching of our priests and bishops and popes is not different than Protestants being taught by their pastors and teachers. We obey Christ. We do not “Obey Men” in the idolotrous way you imply. If we obey men it is IN Obedience to Christ…not rather than Christ or opposed to Christ.

D: I may be off course some from the content of this web page, but I feel lead to encourage you to read the bible.

BFHU: Please read my
Conversion Story. I used to be a dyed in the wool Sola Scriptura Protestant. I have read and studied the Bible all the way through many times…some books more than others of course.

D. As to the subject of evil Popes, God and mammon cannot dwell in the same body and to live a life in open disregard for the scripture just becasue you are powerful enough to do so and get away with it. You bring a reproach on whatever you are talking about and You cannot represent Christ and live as a murderer thief, adultress.

BFHU: I agree. Did you even read the post, Evil Popes, you are commenting upon?

D: Paul I think said such were some of us, but notice He said were not such as are some of us. When we get saved we change. Repentence means to turn from whatever we are doing with a contrite sorrow and not to pick it up and keep doing it . Just go to confession and you can go on as the leader of the most powerful church killing and working all sorts of evil deeds.

BFHU: I have no idea why God didn’t just take the wicked popes out.
But if this makes you angry you will have to take it up with Our Lord. God’s ways are not our ways. And the Catholic Church does not approve of evil. But, men will sin, whether they are Catholic, Protestant or whatever.

D: Fall in Love with Jesus and you will realize He LiVES IN you always not when the host is given to you by the Priest.

BFHU: Of course, He is always with us spiritually, but He is in us in a physical bodily presence when we receive Him in Holy Communion. Why wouldn’t every Christian want all of Jesus that He offers us?

D: I state the fact that Mary deserves respect becasue she is the mother of Jesus but she is not a goddess.

BFHU: Who told you Mary is a goddess? She is a human person. We do not believe she is a goddess!

D: There is only One sinless and that is Jesus

BFHU: Can you show me that in Scripture please?

D: and I submit the fact that He said I am Alpha, Omega,
Begining and the end. I submit the fact that He said I Am. I submit as the Bible says there is One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism.

BFHU: Agreed, emphatically. But, the Church founded by Jesus, the Catholic Church is One. It is the Protestant Churches that are divided and fractured into +40,000 different sects. Now that contradicts Jesus desire in John 17 that we all be one…ONE Faith.

D:No where in the Holy Bible does it say Mary is a councilor.

BFHU: Neither do we say that. I wonder why you think we do?

D. See Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born , unto us a Son is given and the Government shall rest upon His Shoulders and He shall be called the Mighty God, Everlasting Father, The prince of Peace , Wonderful Councilor. Isaiah also says Behold I have engraven thee upon the palms of my hands. Jesus paid the price , He was as II Timothy says , God in the flesh For great is the mystery of Godliness for God was manifest in the flesh Justified in the Spirit, preached unto the Gentiles and was received up unto Glory.

BFHU: AMEN!

D: The scripture states if we add or take away from the book of revelation we will drink of the cup of damnation and this is just what the roman church authorities have done.

BFHU: How did the Catholic Church add to the book of Revelation? We have not done this but the Jews and Martin Luther removed seven books from the OT. And Deuteronomy also says:

12:32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.

So, based on this verse in Deuteronomy are all of the commands or writings in the later additions/books in the OT and the NT forbidden?

D: Jesus is coming back and every knee shall bow every tongue confess that He is Lord. God Bless

BFHU: Maranatha!

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12 Responses to Catholics Don’t Know the Bible?

  1. Constantine says:

    The priest is not acting as an agent. That would be to make Christ a liar in Mark 2 and Matthew 5.

    It is best to understand this (John 20:23) not as referring to apostolic power to forgive or retain the sins of individuals (as it is sometimes understood), but to the “power” of proclaiming this forgiveness which was entrusted to the disciples. This is consistent with the idea that the disciples are to carry on the ministry of Jesus after he has departed from the world and returned to the Father, a theme which occurred in the Last Discourse (cf. 15:27, 16:1-4, and 17:18).

    To give a new power to the apostles and your priests is to create a new ministry and not to carry on Christ’s.

  2. Constantine says:

    2 Thessalonians 2:15 is in the past tense.

    I honestly don’t understand why you can’t see that. It is the tradition that YOU WERE TAUGHT. It is not any traditions that you may be taught in the future. The tradition that Paul teaches HAD ALREADY been given. Can’t you see that? Really?

    That’s not a Catholic or Protestant issue, my dear. That is simply reading the text.

    There’s no point talking about interpretation if you can’t read the simple grammar of the text.

    Peace.

  3. thefrenchchick says:

    Constantine,
    Have you read the seven letters of St. Ignatius of Antioch? Ignatius was trained by St. John, the apostle, so he actually knew what was taught. The things Ignatius spoke of in his letters are what was taught and what is still taught in the Catholic Church today. The Catholic Church has not changed those traditions and it has been almost 2000 years since Pentecost. I hope you will take the time to read those letters.

  4. Constantine says:

    Hi thefrenchchick,

    What specifically are you referring to in Ignatius’s letters?

    Did Ignatius misunderstand the past tense of 2 Thessalonians 2:15? Or do you have an example of him instituting a new power for the followers of Jesus?

    A little more specificity would be helpful.

    Peace to you.

  5. thefrenchchick says:

    I am referring to the oral traditions that St. Ignatius wrote about in his letters. You mentioned that 2 Thessalonians is in the past tense. I’m simply trying to help you see that the traditions of the Catholic Church go back to what Jesus taught his apostles and that the apostles gave that teaching to the Catholic Church.

    So the traditions of the Catholic Church are not some new power and they are not the traditions of men. They were given to the apostles by Jesus and passed down to the Catholic Church by the apostles.

    St. Ignatius was taught by St. John the Apostle. Hard to find a better witness to what was taught, by word of mouth, than someone who was there at the beginning. I agree that St. Ignatius wrote lengthy letters, but they are worth reading in their entirety if you truly wish to understand the Catholic Church and her traditions.

  6. Constantine says:

    Thanks for that thefrenchchick,

    You are quite right, I think. The “traditions” of Christianity do in fact go back to what Jesus taught, directly and through his apostles. Which is why Paul talked about traditions in the past tense, so that no one would be confused about ongoing traditions. “Hold fast to what you were taught…” etc.

    I didn’t say that the traditions were a “new power”. That comment was meant for the earlier writer’s assertion that priests can forgive sins – which is a ‘new power’ unknown to the apostles.

    And you are quite right, too, that we’d be hard pressed to find a better witness that Ignatius. But isn’t it interesting that you referred me to his written letters and didn’t tell me some tradition you knew about him? I wonder why that is? Hmmm.

    Peace to you, TFC.

  7. Constantine says:

    Hi Pam,

    You link to “How Mary was save HERE” has an extra http in it – so its broken.

    I thought you might want to know.

  8. Michael says:

    CONSTANTINE, my dear old friend, why do you refuse to take on board that that in the Catholic Faith – you do not have to accept this Faith – an authentic interpretation of the Bible is entrusted to the living Magisterium of the Church, the truth of which interpretation is guaranteed by God. You are back with your futile arguments based on private interpretation of the text. What is relevant is not your private opinion as to how a particular text is “best to understand”, but how God understands it. And the Church know how because she is guided by God. Jesus, the God Incarnate, has established his Church, and promised to be with her until the end of time; so, the text means what the Church believes that it means. It is her own text. So, why do you keep fighting a windmill?

    One can, by linking one passage with another, work out an endless number of “interpretations” – that is why we have now more than 500 denominations each claiming to proclaim the ”truth” – all based on the Bible. So what?

    The Bible is a dead letter, written in human languages, the characteristic of which is the ambiguity. It is simply because while human mind can work out almost endless number of concepts and their even more endless nuances, the human language operates with relatively small number of words, the meaning of which has to be worked out from the context, no language can coin so may words to denote the endless number of concepts. Thus the 500 Christian denominations – all claiming that they know what the Bible “says”.

    Your Denomination is merely one among the 500, it is of relatively recent origin, and without divine credentials. How can you, on the basis of some 19th cent. ideas, claim that your understanding of the text is correct, while at the same time ignoring the living tradition within which that text was written, accepted, and has been understood in a specific way for two thousand years?

    Catholic Faith is not a biblical faith if one means by the latter a set of beliefs that can be derived exclusively from the Bible. She is the living body in continuity with that small community established by God Incarnate by His teaching, life and worship, the community which listened Him, lived with Him and worshipped with Him. This first community is still in existence, sharing what it received from the primitive community. The New Testament was written by this primitive community, or adopted from the Jews; this community was an environment within which the Bible was acknowledged as the “Word of God”, written under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, selected, among many writings on the same subject, as an authentic articulation of Faith, and canonised. This is how you know the majority of the books, which belong to the Bible: it was not revealed to you in the 19th century.

    Catholic Church (and the Orthodox too), has always understood John 20:23 as referring to the power given to the first hierarchy to act on Jesus behalf, in His person, “in persona Christi” as we have it in Latin. It is under the authority of this divinely appointed hierarchy that this text was approved as an authentic reflection of the Church’s faith, accepted as canonical and inspired, and transmitted ever since.

    Before you post a comment in this Blog you obviously first conceive what you want to convey to your primary audience, then you chose language which you consider adequate both as a medium for expressing what you have conceived, and, knowing the audience, you choose the kind of language the audience will understand as you expect it to be understood. Regardless of whether your choice of language was the best or the worst, the true meaning of your post is that meaning, which you had in mind, not what somebody else happens to make of it. You are the supreme authority when it comes to the true meaning of a disputed text, because it is your text.

    But the Bible is not your text but the Church’s; so, she is the supreme authority when it comes to the true meaning of the Bible.

    And just briefly: from the comments on “the past tense of 2 Thessalonians 2:15”
    it would seem to me that you misunderstand the Catholic notion of Tradition. I invited you to discuss the matter in the course of your lengthy exchange with BHFU earlier this year. That misunderstanding might have been reinforced by BHFU who seems to misunderstand it too. Tradition is not a set of information communicated to the Apostles, secretly passed on “from mouth to mouth”, and which, every now and then, appears on the surface in the form of dogmatic propositions, like Purgatory, Transubstantiation, Infallibility, Assumption etc., which are “not in the Bible” but some kind of extras in “addition” to the Bible. If so, you are mistaken: Tradition is not a set of information, but a living process of handing on of everything that contribute to the holiness of life and increase of faith of the people, and taking strictly, the Bible itself is a part of it. Tradition is a living environment in which the Bible is understood ever more deeply.

  9. thefrenchchick says:

    Thanks Michael. Eloquently put.

  10. JOSHUA says:

    You ahve to look at the whole. The catholic church has man made traditions. Think about this, it is holding traditions as equal with the bible. Why? Becauause when a tradition contradicts scripture, then it goes to “Well they are equal” then it must not be contradicting scripture. Right? WRONG! To say that things concerning the doctrine of the church is not found in scriptures is to say that the bible is incomplete when in 2nd Timothy 3:16 it says “All scripture is given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, THOROUGHLY furnished unto ALL good works.
    There is a lot that is against the arguments from the catholics side, where it always falls under “Protestant” view point, or meaning. You know scripture states to study scripture, Jesus in fact told the Pharasees to study scripture, because it containted references about him. Jesus mentiones scripture several times as well as it is mentioned thoruought the NT, the Bereans (ACTS) studied dail to see if things were in scripture. Protestants are all ways held accountable for the reformers (WHO WERE EX-CATHOLIC BTW) and that the reason for so many denominations is biblical interpretation. Think about this, THE REASON FOR DENOMINATIONS IS BECAUSE OF LACK OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION AND THE LACK OF JESUS!!

    SATAN does a wonderful job at keeping want to be believers at odds with each other just as he has kept BILLIONS led astray by catholic religion, and any other abominations that are out there. Man has always desired to be in charge, and in MAT-JOHN 3 times it mentions the disciples in argument over who is the greatest, and Jesus never claimed any name. PETER was even present at the arguments and JESUS never said, quit this conversation I have already chosen PETER, nor did PETER stand up and take charge.

    THINK ON THIS:

    Why would Jesus give the keys to heaven to a man, THAT was tried, (ADAM) which is why we are where we are now. You honestly think that the church was built on faulty man? READ YOUR SCRIPTURES!!! JESUS is the cornerstone, JESUS is the head of the church, not some POPE. Want a resume of some of the POPES, see below.

    PAUL III (ALESSANDRO FARNESE)
    • HAD FOUR ILLEGITIMATE OFFSPRING.
    • MADE PIER LUIGI FARNESE THE DUKE OF PARMA.
    • MADE AT LEAST 5 GRANDCHILDREN CARDINALS, TWO BETWEEN THE AGES OF 14 & 16.
    • WIFE GIOVANNA CAETANI, A MEMBER OF THE CAETANI FAMILY WHICH HAD ALSO PRODUCED POPE BONIFACE VIII.
    • EMPLOYED NEPOTISM TO ADVANCE THE POWER AND FORTUNES OF HIS FAMILY.

    POPE CLEMENT VII (GIULIO DI GIULIANO DE’ MEDICI,)
    • WAS A COUSIN TO POPE LEO X
    • BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK, LOOPHOLE IN CANON LAW DECLARED PARENTS MARRIED
    • SUPPORTED MILITARISTIC MEANS OF EVANGELIZING “BY FORCE AND ARMS, IF NEEDFUL”

    POPE ADRIAN VI (ADRIAAN FLORENSZOON BOEYENS)
    • COUSIN OF POPE CLEMENT VII
    • LAST NON ITIALIAN POPE UNTIL JOHN PUAL II
    • MADE STATEMENT THAT A POPE MAY ERR, PRIVATELY OR IN A MINOR DECREE, INCLUDING MATTERS OF FAITH

    POPE LEO X (GIOVANNI DI LORENZO DE MEDICI)
    • RELATED TO POPE INNOCENT VIII
    • SOLD INDULGENCES
    • WAS A CARDINAL AT 16
    • WENT FROM PRIEST TO POPE IN 4 DAYS (15 MAR 1513 ORDAINED “PRIEST”, 17 MAR 1513 CONSECRATED “CARDINAL”, 19 MAR 1513 CROWNED “POPE”)
    • AFTER BEING AWARE OF A PLOT TO POISON HIM (MEMBERS FROM SACRED COLLEGE) HE KILLED ONE AND IMPRISONED OTHERS AND MADE CHANGES TO THE COLLEGE.
    • WHEN MADE POPE SAID, “SINCE GOD HAS GIVEN US THE PAPACY, LET US ENJOY IT.”
    • OTHER ASSSASSINATION PLOT FOUND OUT, LEO HAD THE CONSPIRITORS FOLLOWED, ALL DIED OF FOOD POISIONING

    POPE JULIUS II (GIULIANO DELLA ROVERE.)
    • RELATED TO POPE SIXTUS IV (NEPHEW)
    • HAD CHILDREN (ONE DAUGHTER ILLEGITIMATLY, WHILE HE WAS A BISHOP)
    • OUT OF ANGER AND JEALOUSY ACCUSED POPE ALEXANDER VI OF SIMONY
    • IN REFERENCE TO POPE ALEXANDER VI SAID “NOW WE ARE IN THE POWER OF A WOLF, THE MOST RAPACIOUS PERHAPS THAT THIS WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. AND IF WE DO NOT FLEE, HE WILL INEVITABLY DEVOUR US ALL”

    POPE ALEXANDER VI (RODERIC DE BORJA I BORJA / RODERIC LLANÇOL)
    • WAS NEPHEW TO POPE CALIXTUS III
    • HAD 4 CHILDREN BY HIS MISTRESS VANNOZZA DEI CATTANI
    • CREATED 12 NEW CARDINALS, AMONG THEM
    o HIS OWN SON, CESARE
    o ALLESANDRO FARNESE (LATER POPE PAUL III)
    • IN THE NEED FOR MONEY HE DEVISED A PLAN THAT ANY CARDINAL, NOBLEMAN OR OFFICIAL WHO WAS KNOWN TO BE RICH WOULD BE ACCUSED OF SOME OFFENCE; IMPRISONMENT AND PERHAPS MURDER FOLLOWED AT ONCE, AND THEN THE CONFISCATION OF HIS PROPERTY.
    • ALSO SOLD INDULGENCES
    • AT DEATH MASS WAS NOT SAID PER POPE PIUS III WHO SAID “IT IS BLASPHEMOUS TO PRAY FOR THE DAMNED.”

    POPE INNOCENT VIII (GIOVANNI BATTISTA CYBO)
    • HALF BROTHER THE POPE NICHOLAS V
    • SUPPORTED THE SPANISH INQUISITION (THE INQUISITION WORKED IN LARGE PART TO ENSURE THE ORTHODOXY OF RECENT CONVERTS, ESPECIALLY JEWS, MUSLIMS, AND OTHERS COERCED ON PAIN OF DEATH TO ADOPT THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION)
    • URGED A CRUSADE AGAINST THE WALDENSIANS AND OFFEDERED PLENARY INDULGANCE TO ALL WHO ENGAGED IN IT.
    • HE INSTITUTIONALIZED SIMONY AT THE PAPAL COURT, CREATING NEW TITLES OF OFFICES THAT WERE DISCREETLY AUCTIONED
    • FATHERED 2 ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN

    POPE PAUL II (PIETRO BARBO)
    • NEPHEW TO POPE EUGENE IV
    • WAS COMPLAINE DABOUT BY BARTOLOMEO PLATINA WHO WAS LATER TOURTURED ON CAHRGES OF CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE POPE

    POPE GREGORY IX (UGOLINO DI CONTI)
    • NEPHEW OR COUSIN OF POPE INNOCENT III
    • INITIATED THE PAPAL INQUISITIONS
    • SAID CATS WERE AN INTRUMENT OF THE DEVIL AND A SYMBOL OF HERESY, WHICH LEAD TO THE KILLING OF MANY CATS WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO THE SPREAD OF THE BLACK DEATH PLAGUE
    • PRINCIPAL LEADER IN CHURCH TEACHING THAT TAUGHT JEW DISCRIMINATION

    POPE INNOCENT IV (SINIBALDO FIESCHI)
    • UNCLE OF POPE ADRIAN IV
    • AUTHORIZED THE USE OF TORTURE BY THE INQUISITION FOR ELICITING CONFESSIONS FROM HERETICS.
    • DECREED THAT HE COULD PUNISH NON CHRISTIANS FOR BREAKING THE NON-GOD CENTERED COMMANDS OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
    • UNDER THE RULE OF INNOCENT IV, GALILEO WAS CONDEMEND BY THE CHURCH FOR STATING THE EARTH REVOLVED AROUND THE SUN

    POPE ADRIAN V (OTTOBUONO DE’ FIESCHI)
    • NEPHEW OF POPE INNOCENT IV
    • DIED BEFORE HE DID ANYTHING

    POPE BENEDICT IX (THEOPHYLACTUS OF TUSCULUM)
    • NEPHEW OF POPE BENEDICT VIII & POPE JOHN XIX
    • ACCUSED OF RAPES, MURDERS AND OTHER UNSPEAKABLE ACTS
    • WAS DESCRIBED AS “FEASTING ON IMMORALITY” AND “DEMON FROM HELL IN DISQUISE OF A PRIEST” BY ST PETER DAMIAN.
    • SOLD THE PAPACY TO HIS GOD FATHER

    OTHER POPES OF BAD TASTE

    POPE SERGIUS III
    • ORDERED THE MURDER OF ANOTHER POPE (LEO V)
    • FATHERED ILLEGITMATE SON WHO LATER BECAME A POPE
    • HAD POPE FORMOSUS’S CORPSE EXHUMED AGAIN, TRIED, BEHEADED AND THROWN IN THE TIBER.

    POPE JOHN XII
    • RAPED FEMALE PILGRIMS
    • INVOKED PAGAN GOD’S WHEN PLAYING DICE
    • MAIMED AND MUTILATED ALL WHO OPPOSED HIM
    • BEATEN BY HUSBAND, WHO CAUGHT HIM IN AFFAIR

    POPE URBAN VI
    • COMPLAINED THAT HE COULD NOT HEAR ENOUGH SCREAMING WHEN HIS CARDINALS WERE TORTURED
    • HE LAUNCHED A PROGRAM OF VIOLENCE AGAINST THOSE HE THOUGHT WERE CONSPIRING AGAINST HIM

    POPE STEPHEN VI
    • EXHUMED POPE FORMOSUS AND PLACED HIS CORPSE ON TRIAL
    • AFTER TRIAL HE STRIPPED THE CORPSE OF THE SACRED VESTMENTS, CUTOFF THE RIGHT HANDS THREE FINGERS, EVENTUALLY THROWN IN THE TIBER.

    Think of this: The popes above made rules and regulations, yet the catholic church teaches that no matter how wicked these men are that in areas of faith an morals they could no err. PLEASE.

    Bible says you will know them by their fruit (Luke 6:44)

    YEAH THESE SOUND LIKE SUCESSORS TO PETER’S CHAIR TO ME. THAT IS THE PROBLEM AMERICA, IT WAS NEVER PETER’S CHAIR. THE CHURCH BELONGS TO JESUS.

    ACTS 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

    WHOS BLOOD???? (JESUS) not mary, not some saint, not the pope.

    THE POPE IS NOT CHRIST ON EARTH OR IN HIS PLACE THAT IS WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS. QUIT FOLLOWING MAN’S RELIGION AND GET IN THE BIBLE, PRAY FOR REVELATION GOD WILL GIVE IT TO YOU. FOLLOW AFTER MAN AND YOU WILL BE PART OF THE STRONG DELUSION.

  11. Michael says:

    Could our friend Joshua tell us how he conceives the Catholic notion of Tradition? And what he means when he claims that “in areas of faith an morals they (i.e. the popes) could no err”?

  12. Father M.J. says:

    BFHU, I appreciate your important assertion that our Catholic people are indeed scripturally literate. May I add that Catholic people do indeed know all the Bible passages and they know them intimately. The one distinction is that our Catholic people usually can’t name the book, chapter and verse where a particular passage or biblical event is located in the text, and that often provides those Protestants who are unfriendly with Catholicism with a warrant to believe that we are not biblical. Father M

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