D: The Bible is very clear that Mary herself stated she was in need of a saviour in Luke. Jesus is the only mediator.
BFHU: Please see how Mary was saved HERE and that Catholics believe Jesus is the one mediator Here.
We do not believe anything that contradicts the Bible. Our beliefs do however, contradict Protestant beliefs and Protestant interpretations of the Bible.
D.The problem is that most Catholics don’t know the bible and don’t know that it says do all things in thought word and deed in the Name of Jesus.
BFHU: You are mistaken. You think we do not know what is in the Bible b/c we believe things that you think contradict the Bible but our beliefs merely contradict Protestants. Because Protestants mistakenly believe that all that they believe and teach is infallible truth, Protestants jump to the wrong conclusion: That Catholics don’t know the Bible.
The fact is that Protestants are blind to the fact that they interpret the Bible one way and Catholics interpret it another way. And they rarely actually have an understanding of any depth whatsoever of what the Catholic Faith actually teaches.
D: Jesus said it was finished on the cross we don’t need a co-redemptrix.
BFHU: Mary is Co-Redemptrix simply because she participated in our redemption by receiving the Eternal Word into her body, giving Him Flesh from her flesh, giving birth, and raising the Son of God to adulthood. It means nothing more than this which every Protestant also believes. You object to a word without knowing what we actually mean by it.
D: Only Jesus can forgive sins.
BFHU: John 20:22 22And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If YOU forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if YOU do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”
Of course the priest is acting as an agent of Jesus and God IS the one who ultimately forgives sin. But you may have missed that Bible verse. Not too many sermons are given on it.
D: I am very sad that your church is drunk on the Blood of the real saints.
BFHU: This is a Protestant Urban Legend. Could you please name all these saints?
D: A church that bases it’s doctrine on obedience to men instead of obedience to the Word of God.
BFHU: We obey Christ and those He has placed to govern the Church. We do obey the Word of God. None of the teachings of our Popes or Church contradict the Word of God. But our teachings do contractict Protestant teachings.
D: Traditions of men will not save.
BFHU: I totally Agree. The Traditions that we follow are not “traditions of men” but the very teaching of the Apostles. These teachings were taught to the apostles by Jesus. And even St. Paul tells us:
2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.
D: Jesus does not live in a gold box on the alter and he does not live in graven images.
BFHU: I see, again, that you lack understanding. We do not think Jesus lives in a gold box or in statues.
But we do believe that the bread and wine become the body and blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ as He said, “This is My Body. This is My Blood.” We take Him literally and therefore reserve the Body of our Lord hidden under the appearance of Bread in the Golden Tabernacle. Just like, in the OT the tabernacle held the Law, the staff of Moses’ authority to rule, and the bread from Heaven, manna so our tabernacles contain all of these and more because Jesus IS the Law, Authority par excellance, and the Bread From Heaven.
D: My wife is a former Roman Catholic and she left because she found she needed more than these traditions.
BFHU: She left the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist? ! What more could there ever be than HIM? She must not have been well taught the Catholic Faith. She is looking for that which was in the Catholic Church all along.
D: My wife found, as the scripture says, we have direct access to the throne of grace and that throne of grace is Jesus. The one mediator. We are all saints if we are saved. It does not take a council of men to vote us in as saints. This to is in the bible.
BFHU: We too believe all of this. As I said she was not taught her catechism well. The canonized Saints, are raised to the altar as especially good examples for us to emulate. It does not meant we are all not saints also.
D: Nothing against catholics personally, but I challenge you to search out the scriptures for yourself and you will find not a Pope, not a priest nor any other person can impart unto you what Jesus can .
BFHU: I would encourage you to read my posts in the category POPE, priest, because I am afraid you have been told by men that these things are not in the Bible…but they are!
D: Only He can forgive your sins. Only by HIs Blood. The Roman church stated that Peter the Apostle was the first Pope and yet the Peter in the Bible in Acts chapter II said Repent and be Baptized everyone of you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
BFHU: You must have been taught that Catholics worship the Pope or something. Having a pope does not negate the saving work of Christ, repentance, and baptism. We affirm belief in this. Our Pope is simply Christ’s special representative on Earth. Jesus left us with tangible guidance into all Truth. We do not each have to interpret scripture on our own and do what seems right in our own eyes. Been there done that…it is exhausting and yet leaves one insecure. This insecurity has the effect of giving birth to PRIDE as we try to convince everyone around us that OUR interpretation is correct and others are in error…….
D:There is a diference between obedience to men and a relationship with Jesus.
BFHU: Our listening to the teaching of our priests and bishops and popes is not different than Protestants being taught by their pastors and teachers. We obey Christ. We do not “Obey Men” in the idolotrous way you imply. If we obey men it is IN Obedience to Christ…not rather than Christ or opposed to Christ.
D: I may be off course some from the content of this web page, but I feel lead to encourage you to read the bible.
BFHU: Please read my Conversion Story. I used to be a dyed in the wool Sola Scriptura Protestant. I have read and studied the Bible all the way through many times…some books more than others of course.
D. As to the subject of evil Popes, God and mammon cannot dwell in the same body and to live a life in open disregard for the scripture just becasue you are powerful enough to do so and get away with it. You bring a reproach on whatever you are talking about and You cannot represent Christ and live as a murderer thief, adultress.
BFHU: I agree. Did you even read the post, Evil Popes, you are commenting upon?
D: Paul I think said such were some of us, but notice He said were not such as are some of us. When we get saved we change. Repentence means to turn from whatever we are doing with a contrite sorrow and not to pick it up and keep doing it . Just go to confession and you can go on as the leader of the most powerful church killing and working all sorts of evil deeds.
BFHU: I have no idea why God didn’t just take the wicked popes out. But if this makes you angry you will have to take it up with Our Lord. God’s ways are not our ways. And the Catholic Church does not approve of evil. But, men will sin, whether they are Catholic, Protestant or whatever.
D: Fall in Love with Jesus and you will realize He LiVES IN you always not when the host is given to you by the Priest.
BFHU: Of course, He is always with us spiritually, but He is in us in a physical bodily presence when we receive Him in Holy Communion. Why wouldn’t every Christian want all of Jesus that He offers us?
D: I state the fact that Mary deserves respect becasue she is the mother of Jesus but she is not a goddess.
BFHU: Who told you Mary is a goddess? She is a human person. We do not believe she is a goddess!
D: There is only One sinless and that is Jesus
BFHU: Can you show me that in Scripture please?
D: and I submit the fact that He said I am Alpha, Omega, Begining and the end. I submit the fact that He said I Am. I submit as the Bible says there is One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism.
BFHU: Agreed, emphatically. But, the Church founded by Jesus, the Catholic Church is One. It is the Protestant Churches that are divided and fractured into +40,000 different sects. Now that contradicts Jesus desire in John 17 that we all be one…ONE Faith.
D:No where in the Holy Bible does it say Mary is a councilor.
BFHU: Neither do we say that. I wonder why you think we do?
D. See Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born , unto us a Son is given and the Government shall rest upon His Shoulders and He shall be called the Mighty God, Everlasting Father, The prince of Peace , Wonderful Councilor. Isaiah also says Behold I have engraven thee upon the palms of my hands. Jesus paid the price , He was as II Timothy says , God in the flesh For great is the mystery of Godliness for God was manifest in the flesh Justified in the Spirit, preached unto the Gentiles and was received up unto Glory.
D: The scripture states if we add or take away from the book of revelation we will drink of the cup of damnation and this is just what the roman church authorities have done.
BFHU: How did the Catholic Church add to the book of Revelation? We have not done this but the Jews and Martin Luther removed seven books from the OT. And Deuteronomy also says:
12:32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.
So, based on this verse in Deuteronomy are all of the commands or writings in the later additions/books in the OT and the NT forbidden?
D: Jesus is coming back and every knee shall bow every tongue confess that He is Lord. God Bless