Mary is Not Godly or Holy???!!!

From a Comment originally on Scripture Disproves Purgatory?

Q. Mary was a sinner just like you and me. Jesus was full man and full God. He was tempted just like the rest of us, but his Godliness, His Holiness prevented him from sinning. Mary is by no means Godly or Holy. The Immaculate Conception if a farce, unbiblical and elevates Mary to a level that even she would call blasphemy.

A. Why? Adam and Ever were created sinless. That is how we were all supposed to be. Mary was fully human exactly the way God intended. Do you think God intended and created human beings to BE sinful?

Mary was not Godly or Holy? Why do you say this? Where in Scripture does it say “Mary sinned” or “Mary was sinful just like everyone else”? For that matter where on earth does it say Mary was not holy or Godly? Perhaps this is an example of Protestant tradition.

“His Holiness prevented him from sinning” you say and I agree. But, by what authority do you believe “His Holiness ” could not have created Mary without a sin nature?
Bead From Heaven: I understand that from your perspective it seems like we belittle Christ’s sacrifice because of your theology. But, remember, your understanding of scripture is only 500 years old.

Comment: My understanding of scripture 500 years old. That is laughable. The Bible existed for centuries before the Catholic church hijacked it. My understanding of scripture is based on the gifts given to me by the Holy Spirit which I was baptized into through my loving comitted relationship to Christ.

Response: The Protestant sects believe in doctrines that are only 500 years old or less. In fact, some of them, like the end times rapture are only about 100 years old. That is what I meant. Our doctrines are nearly 2000 years old. Of course I realize the Bible is more than 500 years old. But Protestant doctrine is not. And who do you think had the Bible “before the Catholic Church hijacked it”?

Comment: Your “little sacrifice” mean absolutely nothing, nada, zero to an Almighty Holy God who offered up his one and only son for our sins. He is angered by your belief that you can even compete with HIS sacrifice.

Response: He probably would be angered if we were competing with His sacrifice. But, believe me we don’t compete with Him at all. In fact, we are able to do nothing apart from the empowering of Christ.

Comment: You may have your traditions which help you to feel more “religous”, but they do nothing to add to Christ’s sacrifice or to aid in your salvation. In fact they will aid in many Catholics damnation.

Response: Our Traditions are nothing more or less than the very teaching of the Apostles handed down to us orally at first and mostly written down in the first 800 years of Church history.

Comment: I have a complete understanding of Catholicism. I went to Catholic university, study theology there, and married a Catholic who has since left the church and has a fuller more complete relationship with Christ than he EVER had in the Catholic church. After reading the entire Bible for himself he is angry at the lies told him and how the R.C. has manipulated God’s word.

Response: Well, he is much more likely to have been told lies about the Catholic Faith than to have found that the Bible reveals lies in Catholic Doctrine. I am curious as to why you left the Church.

“There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church – which is, of course, quite a different thing.”

-Archbishop Fulton Sheen

Comment: Your search for ‘truth’ does it extend past the media provided by Catholics?

Response: Yes. I spent40 years as a very devout Protestant. Suspicious of the Catholic Church and I was sola scriptura to the max.

Comment: How do you answer to the lies with which the Catholic church built is power? The Catholic church even admits to the numerous forgeries which were used to further the papacy! I believe that the Catholic church would NEVER have amounted to the power and world prestige that it has had it spread it’s blasphemous gospel honestly.

Response: I am afraid that someone has taught you lies about the Catholic Church. But, I am sure they were just trusting whoever taught them these lies.

Comment: Why make it a law to keep the Bible out of the lay peoples hands?

Response: The Church tried to prevent lay people from reading the Bible only at the time of the “Reformation” because she did not want her children to be carried away with the heresies spawned by Luther et. al. That was a very wise and reasonable response to the rebellion that began as a reformation. Other than that, the Church NEVER kept the Bible away from anyone. The Bible was even chained in the church to make it accessible to people. If it hadn’t been chained it would have been stolen b/c it was so valuable. I would recommend for you to read Where We Got the Bible by Henry Graham

Comment: Why kill people who had Bibles?

Response: The Catholic Church never killed people b/c they had a Bible.

Comment: Why prevent the Bible from being translated into the language of the people who desired to read it?

Response: The Catholic Church translated the Bible into various languages long before Martin Luther , Wycliffe or Jan Hus were born.

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One Response to Mary is Not Godly or Holy???!!!

  1. M. Burns says:

    MARY: There is a thorough article by Patrick Madrid titled “MARY, ARK OF THE NEW COVENANT A Biblical look at the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary,” which can be accessed on http://www.envoymagazine.com/ark_newcov.pdf (PDF format). This article originally appeared in the December, 1991 edition of This Rock Magazine which can be accessed on the Catholic Answers site: http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9112feal.asp (web format). Both are available for free. And yes, the article provides a plethora of biblical references!

    TRADITION:
    So then brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.
    ~St. Paul (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

    I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I handed them on to you.
    ~St. Paul (1 Corinthians 11:2)

    Hold to the standard of sound teaching that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. Guard the good treasure entrusted to you, with the help of the Holy Spirit living in us.
    ~St. Paul (2 Timothy 1:13-14)

    and what you have heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will be able to teach others as well.
    ~St. Paul (2 Timothy 2:2)

    Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you will abide in the Son and in the Father.
    ~St. Paul (1 John 2:24)

    We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and whoever is not from God does not listen to us. From this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
    ~St. Paul (1 John 4:6)

    SEARCH FOR TRUTH: In my own search for truth, by thorough research and prayer it was evident that the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth.
    Many, many Protestant bishops, ministers, as well as laypeople, in their own search for truth, have seen the same thing and their conscience has dictated that they come home. For example, reading the writings of the early Church fathers, in their unabridged form, has led them to see that the early Church, the people that were taught by the apostles themselves, were Catholic!
    See former Protestant minister Scott Hahn’s conversion story: http://zuserver2.star.ucl.ac.uk/~vgg/rc/aplgtc/hahn/m1/sctcnv.html. (Click on the link at the left to access his wife Kimberly’s conversion story.) Patty Bond’s conversion story is here: http://www.catholic-convert.com/Portals/0/Story%20Patty%20Bonds.pdf. She has said about her brother, a well-known Protestant apologist and fervent anti-Catholic, that he attacks a church that does not exist.* (And, it is evident from the Comment section in the blog, that the commentator does not have an understanding of Catholicism, let alone a complete understanding.)

    Reflection: Jude 10 – But these people slander whatever they do not understand…

    * #106 at http://www.ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?pgnu=4&SeriesID=-6892289

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