Do You Have to Be Baptized to be Saved?

Q. Is baptism necessary in order to be saved?

A. Yes. As Jesus explained to Nicodemus in John 3…

John 3:3…Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

We must be born again of water and the Spirit in order to see the Kingdom of God. And Jesus also said:

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved

Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

And Peter exhorted the crowd at Pentecost:

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Again in:

1 Peter 3:20-21 ..when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you …

St. Paul also speaks of baptism through which we enter into Christ in order to live.

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Titus 3:5 He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

John’s baptism was for repentance. But the baptism of Jesus is the sacrament that initiates a person into the people of God just as circumcision initiated Jewish babies into the Old Testament people of God. We are baptized into Christ and become a member of His body in order to participate in His resurrection.

However, to further answer the question, the Catholic Church recognizes all Christian baptism “In the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” So, when I entered the Catholic Church my Protestant baptism was accepted and I received First Communion and Confirmation at the Easter Vigil.

In addition, the Catholic Church also teaches about the Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire. In the times of the early Church there are stories of people dying for their faith in Christ before they could receive baptism. For instance, Roman soldiers, participating in the execution of Christians for refusing to recant, were impressed by their amazing Christian Faith–being willing to die for it. They, by the grace of God were converted and executed on the spot.

Also the Church recognizes Baptism of Desire. This would be the baptism of one in the process of entering the Church through Christian Baptism but is killed in a car accident, for instance.

Also, those are baptized with this baptism, if God knows that in their heart they would have received baptism if they had known about it or known it was necessary.

For instance, if they were taught that baptism was unnecessary and therefore did not receive it, and died believing in Christ but unbaptized. If that person’s heart was such that they would have been baptized IF they had known it was necessary then we believe a baptism of desire existed also in their hearts.

Also, Our Merciful Father would attribute this baptism to all those people of good will towards God, throughout history on all continents, who never heard about Jesus and baptism.

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51 Responses to Do You Have to Be Baptized to be Saved?

  1. Peter says:

    What about the man on the cross next to Jesus. all he did was recognize that he was a sinner and his punishment was just, reconize jesus as christ and except jesus into his heart and jesus said he would be in paradise with him. the act of being dipped in water does not make you any more saved than repeating a salvation prayer. you are saved through repenting of you sins, recognizing christ is lord and excepting him into you heart. do an experiment try just baptizing someone and see if that changes them from the inside out. the pharasees were baptized were they saved? nope they did the actions but din’t truly have a changed heart. Next in the experiment watch some really have an experience with God that changes them from the inside. see which one demonstrates the power of God. i think you will find that one shows a remarkable difference for the other. no one has ever been saved through circumsition alone. you have to look at the full concel of the bible not just a few verses.

    my 2 cents worth

  2. john says:

    Did the criminal on the cross that Christ granted entry into the kingdom of heaven baptized?

  3. thefrenchchick says:

    Peter and john, you may want to reread the parts about Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire.

    • April says:

      So, I love how a Bible verse is brought up to completely discredit your theory on water baptism being a requirement for salvation, and you spew out some man-made term as your answer. Where is Baptism of Desire found in the Bible? It’s JESUS who saves you, NOT baptism. Read Romans 10:9 again. If it was a requirement, Jesus would have indicated that to the thief. The thief said nothing of baptism. Jesus is more powerful than anything, and you are basically saying that He can’t save you, unless you are baptized… Again, if that were the case, it defeats the purpose of His coming. Period.

      • bfhu says:

        April,
        You will not find a specific verse about baptism of desire in the Bible. But where in the Bible does it say that everything we believe about God MUST be found in the Bible?

        The Bible clearly says in many verses that baptism is a requirement for salvation. The Catholic Church teaches that baptism is a requirement if possible but when it is not God can save a person by a baptism of desire or blood.

        This does NOT mean that we teach that salvation is by baptism alone or that Jesus is less powerful than water or that He cannot save a person unless they are baptized.

        Do you think that just because Jesus can save without water baptism, that we, therefore, are free to ignore this New Testament exhortation to be baptized for salvation?

      • April says:

        April: They had baptism long before Jesus came, but we still needed Him here, because baptism does NOT save you. He alone is the only path to Heaven. And I’ve already indicated I’m not a Protestant, so I am respectfully asking you not to call me one, because I don’t agree with your beliefs. I am non-religious and I live to follow Jesus and the Truth in the Scriptures, not how man interprets them. I am a citizen of the Kingdom of God (which is not the Catholic Church, as you indicated). All religion does is cause divide and persecution. If you don’t agree with that, all you have to do is open up your history books and you will see the many faults with Catholicism.

        Bread From Heaven:
        Sorry I can’t remember who all claims they are not Protestant. But, actually since you protest against the Catholic Church you are a protest-ant with a little p

        They did not have baptism in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. That is the baptism we are speaking of. The word baptism can be used to refer to dish washing and hand washing and bathing with no religious significance. If you live to follow Jesus why do you reject the Church He founded?

        Sinful men cause all kinds of problems. Division and persecution happens with all sorts of people. Communism, for instance, not just sinful men who claim this religion or that. Catholicism is indefectible. Catholics are sinners and in need of Jesus.

      • April says:

        Indefectable? It even says in the Bible that false doctrines will come along and forbid people to marry and abstain from certain foods (1 Timothy 4:3). Priests are forbidden to marry, right? That might explain why so many young boys have been molested by them. And I said I was non-religious… That includes Protestants. All religion does is cause strife and divide, like I stated earlier. Go into the history books and you will see the numerous wars started because of religion. Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, ect. Remember the Crusades? Look that one up. Jesus never started any religion.

      • bfhu says:

        Dear April,
        Why is it that non Catholics have so much bitterness towards the Catholic Church? Why do you? Why apply scripture such as:

        I Tim 3:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry…

        …to the Catholic Church? We do not forbid anyone to marry. Marriage is a vocation just like the priesthood is a vocation. The Church does not force anyone into a vocation whether it is marriage or priesthood or consecrated single life. Celibacy is a discipline of the priesthood. If a man does not choose to be celibate in order to be a priest he may choose to marry. Sexual fidelity is a discipline of marriage. A person who chooses the vocation of marriage may not have sex with other people. If they do not want to be faithful to one person then they are free not to marry.

        Pedophilia is a sexual perversion. It is not caused by celibacy; if it were no one except priests would engage in it. Accusing the Catholic Church’s discipline of celibacy for priests as causing celibacy is like saying marriage causes adultery. Irrational.

      • April says:

        So, Priests aren’t forbidden to marry? Yes, they are, which is the whole point of the passage! They are required to remain celibate. And I do not harbor any hostility towards Catholics, I’m just making a point through realism and by what the Scriptures say. I notice how Catholics tend to make themselves as better than Protestants and non-Protestants, but don’t like it when Scripture is brought forth that clearly opposes their beliefs. The Scriptures clearly tell us (blatantly, I might add), that teachings that forbid marriage and to abstain from certain foods are being taught by deceiving spirits and demons. I’d say that is pretty clear.

      • April says:

        April: If you can’t agree with that, then tell me where in the Bible it orders celibacy for Priests and the like? You will find that it doesn’t, because that is a man-made tradition and is not from God. A lot of the traditions and beliefs of Catholics mirror that same concept. And I love everyone, I just don’t like it when people are being mislead. We are supposed to rebuke any false teachings. And you are teaching those false teachings on your website, so you should expect some disagreement. When you teach others that they must be baptized to be saved, that creates anxiety for those who are not baptized. Especially because the Scriptures do not mirror that belief.

        Bread From Heaven: You are accusing me of teaching false teaching but you offer no scripture to back up that assertion so a reader knows why you are making this accusation. People who have not been baptized for no good reason should be anxious since scripture does admonish us to be baptized for salvation and eternal life. Where does scripture say that baptism is NOT required or that it is optional? On the other hand we have the following scriptures that show the necessity of baptism.

        I Peter 3:21 baptism now saves you

        Titus 3:5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

        Acts 2:37-38
        When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
        38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

        Acts 22:16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’

        John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

        Matt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

        John 3:22
        After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized.

        Romans 6:4 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
        Hebrews 10:22 let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.

      • April says:

        And I appreciate you calling me a non-Catholic, rather than a Protestant this time around. This shows your respect for others.

      • bfhu says:

        Dear April,

        The Catholic Church has both married and celibate priests. Most are celibate. We also have nuns who are celibate. These people choose celibacy and the life of a priest, nun or brother freely. They choose to imitate Christ more closely in this way since He did not marry either. Also, in Heaven there is no marriage so these faithful people image for us the future in Heaven. They have chosen to make of themselves “eunuchs” for the Kingdom of God in accordance with scripture.

        Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

  4. Fr. J. says:

    Interesting you commented on baptism of desire today. This was a major point of my homily today.

  5. Rhonda Clark says:

    I don’t understand why the big issue over baptism exists, when the Bible plainly states we must be baptized in order to enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus was immersed and so was I and that is good enough for me. Why question it and make it so confusing.

    Rhonda

  6. bfhu says:

    Because many Protestant reject the idea that we are required to do anything for salvation except believe.

    • Rhonda Clark says:

      Dear bfhu,
      You can believe all you want, but belief without works and effort to follow the commandments is dead. I’ll follow up with scripture. I study out of the New King James and the NIV Both are study application Bibles.

      God Bless,
      Rhonda

  7. April says:

    This is wrong. You do not have to be baptized in water to be saved. In John 3:5, Jesus is talking about being born from your Mother in water, meaning you have to be human. Imposing that you can’t be saved without being baptized is completely unbiblical. Read Romans 10:9-13:

    “9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

  8. bfhu says:

    Dear April,

    April: This is wrong. You do not have to be baptized in water to be saved.

    Bread From Heaven: I know Protestants often believe that baptism is optional or done only out of obedience. But, on what authority do you just completely ignore the verses quoted above?

    Bread From Heaven:Are certain verses so important that other verses may safely be dismissed?

    April: TIn John 3:5, Jesus is talking about being born from your Mother in water, meaning you have to be human.

    Bread From Heaven: This is a Protestant interpretation to explain away the necessity of baptism. The verse says NOTHING about birth water. It says nothing about childbirth. This is purely a Protestant tradition. Titus specifically mentions being saved through the washing of REBIRTH.

    April: Imposing that you can’t be saved without being baptized is completely unbiblical.

    Read Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

    Bread From Heaven: Salvation is actually mustifaceted. We must believe, love God and neighbor, obey God, repent, confess our sin, eat and drink the body and blood of Christ etc. Do you honestly believe that a person can just say “Jesus is Lord” and believe this and he will be saved no matter whether he loves God, loves his neighbor, obeys God etc? Really?

    How is it unbilblical? It just contradicts the Protestant doctrine of Faith Alone. It certainly does not contradict anything in the Bible nor is it not found in scripture. The verse you quoted in Romans is a general statement. But the way you are interpreting it and applying it contradicts all the verses I mentions. How do you explain away:

    John 3:3…Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.

    John 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

    Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved

    Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

    Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    1 Peter 3:20-21 ..when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you

    St. Paul also speaks of baptism through which we enter into Christ in order to live and he it is who wrote the verse you quoted above.

    Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

    Titus 3:5 He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

  9. Rhonda Clark says:

    Amen April!!! I still don’t understand the big issue, why people are not getting it.. Baptism is part of the commandment to be Saved.. Baptism will not save you, but you must repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins..wash them away. Again, plane and simple Mark 16:16. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved.

    • April says:

      Yes, Rhonda, you are correct. Baptism in the sense that your sins will be washed away. You repent of your sins and accept Christ as Lord and Savior. This is exactly what is meant in ALL of those verses. Baptism in water is simply reserved for what I was talking about with the public acknowledgement. It should be encouraged, but once again, isn’t a requirement to be saved.

  10. April says:

    Dear bfhu:

    You’re still not listening, so I guess I’m going to have to break it down into bits…

    Firstly, you are taking John 3:5 out of context. Let me prove to you that he is talking about being born initially. This is John 3:1-8:

    1 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
    3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

    4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

    5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

    There are two conditions to enter the kingdom of God. Which comes first? “Born of water,” according to the verse. Does baptism precede being born of the Spirit in the believer? Jesus clarifies what He means in the next verse, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Being born of water is referring to being born physically (the water referring to the amniotic fluid that breaks as one is born). This is why He said “You must be born again.” The first birth is the birth from water, or the flesh. The second is to be born of the Spirit, which is of God. I think it is pretty clear that the verse does not refer to baptism, but to the first birth. At this point, the “entering” is for anyone who is born again (i.e., born of the Spirit).

    Let’s go over the specific text in question. Verse 3 says that one must be born again to see the kingdom of God. Verse 5 says that one must be born of water AND the Spirit to enter the kingdom of God. The text tells us that these requirements are one and the same.

    In stating that one must be born again, Jesus referred to 2 births – the first the physical birth on Earth. Nicodemus recognized this as the first requirement, since he stated that a man cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb (John 3:4). In the very next statement he explains the two kinds of birth. “Born of water” refers to the physical birth, whereas “born of the Spirit” refers to being “born again” or the second birth. In the next verse, Jesus clarifies the statement explaining that “born of water” refers to being “born of flesh.” Jesus was clear and direct. There is no mention of baptism anywhere. “Born of water” never refers to baptism in any other verse in the entire Bible. The Greek word used is “hudwr”. The Greek word for baptism is “baptisma”. If Jesus had wanted to refer to baptism, He would have used this word. In fact, the word (or a variation of it) occurs 112 times in the New Testament.

    Now, for the next point… Jesus never baptized anyone, that we know of, although He had His disciples perform the ceremony. In fact, He routinely sent the people off after being healed without baptism. Obviously, He gave the command to His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (which is different than water baptism, btw). Baptism is an outward expression of what has already occurred within an individual. Jesus didn’t need to see that outward expression of an individual’s conversion, since, being God, He already knew what was in their heart. When you are confessing Christ as Lord and Savior, that is what is important and what will get you saved. When He refers to being born again and being baptized in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, he is talking about confessing our sins and accepting Christ as Lord and Savior.

    So, once again, what you are talking about here is NOT biblical by any means, it’s simply a misinterpretation, because it was taken out of context. Baptism is nice of course, because it’s a public acknowledgment of committing your life to Christ, but it is in no way a requirement for salvation! And remember when John the Baptist baptized Jesus. Jesus didn’t need to repent about anything, because He was not a sinner. It was simply a public way of making known His humanity.

    God says in 1 Corinthians 14:33, He, “God, is not the author of confusion.” So the problem is not with God, but with men. Clearly, men have taken great latitude in the interpreting what the Bible says. God did not give us His written word to be a source of confusion or contention. God gave us His word in written form, whereby it would be available so that everyone could know His truth. Further, He wrote it in such away as to be clear and not be complicated nor misleading. He said in 2 Peter 1:20, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.” That simply means that no one person, church or group has a lock up on God’s word. The Scriptures can be understood by all. The problem is that sinful and fallible men have ignored what the Bible literally says and they state what they “think” it says, their opinion, or what it means to them. Scripture is not what we think it says or what it means to us, but rather what God plainly stated. In other words, truth is what God literally said when He communicated His word to those He chose to record it. Sadly, erroneous thinking has caused great confusion among believers and caused division among those seeking to know the Lord. The tragedy is that it need not be so! If you are ever confused on any of the scriptures, pray for guidance. Remember to ask and you shall receive; you have to be lead by the Spirit.

    And funny how you talk about the Protestants… I see more problems with the Catholics than any other denomination. Praying TO Mary or THRU Mary is not biblical! I’ve been to several Catholic churches for Memorial services and I’ve seen the book of prayers, not to mention a big statue of Mary… Can you say idolatry? Not to mention the Vatican jumping in on the “one world government (which is in Revelations and is part of the Anti-Christ’s plot)”. We really need to stay vigilant and know that the only path to heaven is thru Jesus. He is the way, the truth, and the life!

    And I am not a Protestant. I regard myself as a citizen of the Kingdom of God. And no, that’s not heaven. Tell me where Jesus said the Kingdom of God is. I will be praying for you and anyone else who has been lead astray. I really hope that you will pray about it as well and ask God for guidance. If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me. aderusha21@gmail.com. Love you all and have a blessed evening!

  11. bfhu says:

    April, we are both interpreting John 3. You have made a good case for your interpretation but you cannot say 2000 years later that Jesus meant this or he would have said that if what He meant was baptism… etc. This is just your opinion. Your interpretation does not take into consideration the other verses I mentioned. Therefore, in order for it to be correct it nullifies scripture with the traditions of men or it must be in error since other scriptures contradict your interpretation.

    The Catholic interpretation is able to make sense of all the scriptures without dismissing and ignoring many relevant scriptures.

    We do not worship Mary or idols, and the Vatican is not in favor of a one-world government. Click –>Another Protestant Tradition: Catholics Worship Idols

    Sola Scriptura is not found anywhere in Scripture and is a Tradition of Men begun by Martin Luther. The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus 2000 years ago before one word of the New Testament had been written. Jesus never wrote anything or told His apostles to write as far as we know from Scripture Alone. The Catholic Church is not obligated to prove everything she believes is clearly contained in Scripture since Scripture is only a part of what Jesus taught the apostles.

  12. April says:

    Sorry, I just realized I didn’t refute the rest of those verses you put up. I was so busy breaking down John 3:5. John 3:5 is actually the most misinterpreted, so I spent a lot of time on that. Anyway, here are my responses to the rest… You quoted 1 Peter 3:20-21, but you took that out of context, once again. Had you read all the way through verse 22, you would have seen that he was talking about accepting Christ as Lord and Savior.

    20 –In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

    — That one was made VERY clear. No need to further explain it; all you need to do is read the last part of that. I’d suggest reading from where he talks about a clear conscience on.

    Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved…

    — Again, not referring to water baptism, but by baptism in the Holy Spirit. This is made clear by the next part of the verse when he said that whoever does not believe will be condemned… 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

    Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

    — Baptism in the Holy Spirit again. No need to explain.

    Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    — He clearly is talking about the Spirit AGAIN, hence why he said you will receive the Holy Spirit. Why would he talk about receiving the Holy Spirit if it was a water baptism?

    Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

    — Confessing Christ as Lord and Savior (AKA baptism in the Holy Spirit) again.

    Titus 3:5 He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

    — Once again… Baptism in the Holy Spirit. It even says so in the verse. There isn’t even a mention of water once again. Not only that, but you took the verse out of context again…

    Read the whole passage to find the whole meaning, don’t just pick and choose what you feel fits your beliefs. Here:

    3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

    You can give me verses all day, but let me tell you that it does not say ONCE in the bible that you need to be baptized with water to be saved. It is very important to understand scripture so that you do not misinterpret it. Baptism in the Holy Spirit is as that act of Christ by which He places believers into His body (Rom. 6:4–6; 1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:27). Baptism in the Holy Spirit is what unifies us in the body of Christ. As Paul wrote to the Corinthians, through the baptism with the Spirit “we were all baptized into one body” (1 Cor. 12:13; cf. Gal. 3:26–27; Eph. 4:4–6). A lot of people actually confuse that with being filled with the Holy Spirit, which is when you speak in tongues.

    Hope that helps! Have a blessed day! :-)

    • bfhu says:

      April,
      Thank you for enlightening us as to how you interpret the other scriptures I mentioned. My comments are:
      I Peter 3:22: In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you

      How does verse 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
      make it clear Peter was saying anything different that what the church teaches? I have read and reread your interpretation and the verses in question. I just do not see it. This is your and/or your teachers’ interpretation to explain away what Peter clearly says….”baptism now saves you.” Baptism without the resurrection of Jesus would not do anything.

      Catholics just will not ditch scriptural interpretations that go all the way back for 2000 years of Christianity for modern Protest-ant interpretations.

      Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

      Mattherw 28 make disciples of all nations, baptizing them
      Romans 6:4 The verses say NOTHING about baptism of the Holy Spirit. We do receive the Holy Spirit for the first time at water baptism but there is nothing in the verses that exclude water baptism or imply it is a purely spiritual event.

      Again this is your private interpretation. There is nothing clear from these verses that supports your interpretation. The whole Bible is not a book of systematic theology. Baptism of water is implied in the second part of the Mark verse otherwise he is contradicting himself in one sentence.

      Acts 2:38Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

      This verse clearly says that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins. And then we will receive the Holy Spirit. This is a very common hermenutic of Protestants. There is an either/or mentality that excludes both/and. For instance, this passage is talking about both water baptism and the reception of the Holy Spirit. Just like the picture of Jesus’ baptism. HE was baptized in water and then the Holy Spirit descended upon Him. This is a picture of what happens to the one who is baptized in water.

      I have NEVER heard of anyone always interpreting the word baptism to always mean baptism of the Holy Spirit. This is NOT a very common Protestant way of interpreting these passages. Are you Church of Christ? I have not done a word study on this but it seems to me that when baptism of the Holy Spirit, is meant it is stated that way whereas, water baptism is just called baptism. Even today, when someone says “baptism” we think water baptism.

      Titus 3:5 He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
      The rebirth is by washing ie water baptism and renewal is by the Holy Spirit. Two spiritual effects. One through water baptism and one by the Holy Spirit. The context does not change anything.

      • April says:

        Those texts are referring to washing of the SOUL, a figurative washing, NOT water baptism! How do you think we are saved? We are made NEW by confessing our sins and asking Jesus into our hearts. That is what is meant by baptism in the Spirit. It means the Spirit now lives in us and our sins are washed away by Jesus’s blood.

      • Ghostman says:

        To April

        U have cited multiple verses and explained them in detail, yet she is still blinded. U should just leave that one alone. For what it’s worth others will listen if they have an open mind. The bible says that he who has ears, let them hear. If they don’t want to hear u tho, no matter how much evidence you put in front of them, they won’t listen at all.

    • bfhu says:

      April’s comment above is a very good example of what i noticed as a Protestant. They claim to be sola scriptura, until they are shown scripture that doesn’t fit into their theology. Then they ignore it or as April said, refute it.

      April: “I just realized I didn’trefute the rest of those verses you put up”

      What I appreciate in Catholic theology is that it fits all the scriptures, and so much better and more deeply than any of the many conflicting Protestant theologies.

  13. April says:

    Btw, I just saw your post…

    Catholics do make an idol out of Mary. You pray to her and bow to her as well. Read Exodus 20:4,5:

    “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God…”

    And Isaiah 42:81:

    “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.” — That can only be interpreted one way! Next time you say your “Hail Marys” and look at one of those statues, think of it as you are saying “Hail Satan”. Or you could compare it to one of those golden calves that were worshiped in the bible. If you have any doubt about God’s reaction, you should pull your bible back out. Catholicism is a cult. Here’s a link for you to read from:

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/catholic_heresies-a_list.html

    As to your comment about Jesus starting the Catholic church… I laughed really hard (being honest here). I’m not trying to mock you, but that really took me by surprise that you could actually believe that. Jesus didn’t found any church. The “church” that He did found wasn’t a building either, just the entirety of believers. Nowhere in the bible is there any mention of the Catholic church. The only places of worship back then were Jewish Synagogues and Temples.There is so much wrong with Catholicism, I don’t even know where to start. I’ve covered a little bit on Mary and I’ll give you some Scripture as well that is against what Catholics teach. Take 1 Timothy 4 for example:

    1 Timothy 4

    1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

    6 If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. 7 Have nothing to do with Godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be Godly. 8 For physical training is of some value, but Godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come. 9 This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance. 10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe

    Catholics forbid marriage for Priests, correct? Catholics fast from meat on Fridays from their 14th birthday on as well, correct?

    Another problem is calling the Priests “Father”. Not only can Priests not forgive sin, read Matthew 23:8-11:

    “But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

    There are so many man-made traditions in the Catholic religion. The bible also teaches against that.

    Mark 7:6-15:

    6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

    “‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
    7 They worship me in vain;
    their teachings are merely human rules.’

    8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

    9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

    14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”

    And yet another thing wrong with Catholicism… There is NOTHING taught in the Bible about praying a Rosary, counting beads, etc. In fact, Jesus condemned vain repetitions, “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking” (Matthew 6:7)

    Another serious issue with something you said (which completely discredited everything you said):

    bfhu: The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus 2000 years ago before one word of the New Testament had been written. Jesus never wrote anything or told His apostles to write as far as we know from Scripture Alone. The Catholic Church is not obligated to prove everything she believes is clearly contained in Scripture since Scripture is only a part of what Jesus taught the apostles.

    You basically just indicated that because the New Testament doesn’t line up with your Catholic beliefs, that we should disregard it! Remember 2 Timothy 3:16: All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.

    And yes, the Vatican is pursuing a one-world economy. I took this straight from their website, so you cannot refute it. I will cite another articles as well.

    http://www.news.va/en/news/full-text-note-on-financial-reform-from-the-pontif

    http://standupforthetruth.com/2011/10/vatican-calls-for-new-world-economic-order/

    It is important for us to read the Scriptures and not listen to men, (like the Pope). Whether you accept it or not, this is a serious matter. This is your salvation. You cannot pray to Mary and be saved. God bless and I hope you realize that you cannot be saved by works, but only faith.

    • bfhu says:

      Did you read the whole post? April, you have your theology and you absolutely just ignore any verses that contradict or call into question the absolute black and white way you interpret scripture. For any who are reading these comments, Protestants are often very committed to believing that Catholics worship idols b/c they have statues and images in their churches, just like the Jewish temple had images of things in Heaven and on Earth, by the command of God.

      It does not matter how much we tell them we do not worship Mary or the Saints, they reject what Catholics say they are doing and even say in the Catechism, in order to hold to their condemning and uncharitable belief that Catholics are idolaters. In the post Another Protestant Tradition: Catholics Worship Idols the lack of charity is clear in Erica’s comment. Most believers in Catholic idolatry are not so blatant.

  14. Rhonda Clark says:

    Thank you April for your comments and response to my comment.
    If anyone would like to write me, I am at huntingbear49@yahoo.com. I am a baptized Christian, who is a member of the Church of Christ and I live in FtWorth,TX.

    God bless you All my friends,
    Rhonda

  15. April says:

    Bfhu:

    I just gave you the correct interpretations and you still disregard them. If you don’t know what it means to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, then I don’t know what else to tell you. You are unwilling to listen and clearly brainwashed. Yet another thing wrong with Catholicism. You never learn the proper meaning of Scripture. I could debate all day with you and try to show you the light, but your heart is hardened. I had already indicated I’m not a Protestant, but a Kingdom citizen. I asked you if you knew where the Kingdom of God was and you ignored my question. So, here it is again… Where is the Kingdom of God?

    • bfhu says:

      Dear April,
      Thank you for your comments but I hope you will forgive us Catholics for not accepting your infallibility.

      The Kingdom of God is the Church.

      • April says:

        April: So the church is within you then? That’s what you are saying.

        Bread From Heaven: No. Not sure why you think I am saying that. The Church spread throughout the world is the Kingdom of God. The Church is not within just me. I am in the Church. The Body of Christ is the Church made up of all believers but the Catholic Church is the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church…the visible Kingdom of God spread throughout the world and existing in time ever since it was established by its founder, Jesus Christ, 2000 years ago.

      • April says:

        No, the Kingdom of God is not the Church; this is clarified in Scriptures in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Firstly, flesh and blood cannot enter the KOG, only immortals can. For example, this is what Paul says in 1 Corinthians:

        Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality (1 Cor. 15:50-53).

        To clarify that the Kingdom of God is a literal kingdom, we can also look at the book of Daniel. The prophet Daniel spoke of various kingdoms that bear rule over portions of the world. Then he said God would set up a kingdom that would be given to the saints, a kingdom that would be an everlasting kingdom, a kingdom that would rule the whole world (Dan. 7:27). The kingdom Daniel spoke of was a literal kingdom composed of land, subjects, laws, and a king. Daniel was not speaking of churches. He was speaking of governments that rule over men.

        Notice what Daniel said when he interpreted the image King Nebuchadnezzar had seen in a dream.

        Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. . . . And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure (Dan. 2:37-40, 44-45).

        These kingdoms were the world-ruling kingdoms of Chaldea, the Persian Empire, the Greco-Macedonian Empire, and finally, the Roman Empire. They were literal kingdoms, but in the end the world would be ruled by the Kingdom of God (Dan. 7:27).

        Jesus talks about the KOG often. In Matthew 6:33 where He says, “But seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you”, do you think He was saying to seek the Church first? No, He is talking about the literal Kingdom of God that He will rule. The text in Luke 12:31 is similar in content. The Scriptures make it plain that the Kingdom of God is a literal kingdom destined to rule the whole world, not something that is simply in the hearts of men or the Church itself.

        “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns; and He had a name written, that no man knew, but He himself. And He was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS” (Rev. 19:11-16).

        Jesus taught about the Kingdom of God in many passages. We read, “Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel” (Mark 1:14-15). The message Jesus preached was not about His person. He did not go about proclaiming what He had done here and there. He preached the Good News of the Kingdom of God-a message of salvation, how men must be saved in order to enter that kingdom. Yet, many professing Christians today have no knowledge of that teaching. This was the same message preached later by the Apostle Paul (Acts 19:8, “And he went into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading concerning the things of the kingdom of God.”; 20:25, “And indeed, now I know that you all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, will see my face no more.”; 28:23, “So when they had appointed him a day, many came to him at his lodging, to whom he explained and solemnly testified of the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus from both the Law of Moses and the Prophets, from morning till evening.” 28:31, “preaching the kingdom of God and teaching the things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ with all confidence, no one forbidding him.”).

        That kingdom, as we have already seen, will be a world-ruling government. It was not a kingdom intended for the Jews of Jesus’ day. It was not to be another human kingdom. Jesus described His second coming, the time when He would take over all the governments of this world and establish the Kingdom of God. “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world” (Matt. 25:31-34).

        Not all the religious leaders of Jesus’ day rejected His message. One named Nicodemus (who we already talked about) came to see Him at night. What did Jesus tell him? “. . . Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). Nicodemus could not understand what this meant. He asked, “. . . How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?” (John 3:4). Then Jesus explained,

        . . . Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit (John 3:5-8).

        The Kingdom of God, then, is something that can be seen (v. 3) but only by those who have been born again. We have already seen that this spiritual birth takes place at the resurrection of the dead. People who are flesh and blood can enter into churches, so the church cannot be the Kingdom of God. Only those born of spirit can enter the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God, Jesus said, is not of this world (John 18:36, “Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”). It will not be established until the return of Jesus Christ and those who are resurrected at that time will enter into it (1 Cor. 15:42-44, “So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”; and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53, which is quoted above).

        Some people take the Scriptures as meaning the KOG is literally within you, but this is also not correct. In Luke 17:20-21 we read, “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” What did Jesus mean by this remark? Is it possible He meant the Pharisees represented the Kingdom of God? Of course not! How could it mean that when they utterly rejected Christ as God’s true representative? (Luke 19:14). In the Bible the word “kingdom” is synonymous with king. Compare Daniel 7:17 with verse 23. Jesus was the King-the One who will rule over the Earth. The Pharisees did not recognize Him. The key to understanding this verse is in the meaning of “within you” in Luke 17:21. Notice the marginal rendering. It says “among you.” Jesus, the future King of the Earth, was standing among them at that very moment and they failed to see it. The Kingdom of God was not in the hearts of the Pharisees. But the King of the Earth was there as the sacrificial lamb to die for the sins of the world. At His return He would come to rule all nations with a rod of iron (Psa. 2:9).

        Many take Jesus’ statement in Mark 1:15 to mean that the Kingdom of God was to appear at that time. “Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel” (Mark 1:14-15). What did He mean “at hand”? Was He referring to the Church? Notice carefully. Jesus did not say the Kingdom of God would be established at that time, or that it was already there. He said the Kingdom of God was being preached. Luke 16:16 states, “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” Jesus Himself corrected the false notion people had about the Kingdom of God. In Luke 19:11 we read, “And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear” (Luke 19:11). The parable goes on to explain that the nobleman who would return was Jesus Christ. Jesus ascended into heaven after His resurrection (Acts 1:9) and will return with all power and glory (Acts 1:11, Rev. 19:15-16). Jesus has not yet returned. When He does, the Kingdom of God will be established and will rule over the Earth. Those who enter that kingdom will no longer be flesh and blood but will be composed of spirit. The nobleman’s citizens who rejected Jesus (Luke 19:14) were the Jews. The parable speaks of a literal government with a ruler. This is what the Kingdom of God is all about. Notice what will take place at His return. “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me” (Luke 19:27). When Jesus made the statement that the Kingdom of God was at hand, He did not mean it was to be established immediately. With God, a thousand years is as a day (2 Pet. 3:8). The Kingdom of God will be established as a literal world-ruling government when Christ returns. Jesus was not talking about the Church. Peace and blessings.

    • Anonymous says:

      April,
      Interesting opinions but we Catholics will go with the interpretations of Scripture that have been around for 2000 years. You have so much to say you should start your own blog. This isn’t the place for a long harangue about your opinions. You can start your own blog on wordpress.com in just a few minutes.

      If you have an honest question or short comment we welcome that. But, I don’t think you “will be heard because of their many words.” Mt. 6:7

      • April says:

        So, because I don’t agree with your beliefs, I am not welcome to post long responses? I posted something very detailed and accurate from the Scriptures, but rather than deny it’s truth, you resort to insulting me. I am free to post where I want to post. If I see someone leading others astray, it’s my duty, as a believer, to correct them. But thanks for the information about the blog; I’ll still consider that as an additional option. Peace and blessings.

  16. SR says:

    My goodness BFHU,

    Now you are brainwashed and you have a hard heart??? All this combined. Shame! Shame! Shame! Confession for sure for you, as this has been placed on you by “Christians.” All knowing ones at that. What are we to do BFHU??? We are just walking in sin, us Catholics and I am so happy we have these “enlightened” people to tell us so, aren’t you? The whole lot of us are going to “hell” but I bet there is going to be a lot of “kingdom citizens” in there with us.

    This is what gets me. They quote the Word, they say baptism “saves” us by the washing away of our sins, then never correlate the two.

    I can fix this right here by Scripture “alone” if you decide not to do away with it. Rm. 3:25 Jesus died for all “past” sin. Not past, present, future. Jesus made it possible for God to forgive our present sin after confession and repentance. God does not forgive future sins, as we have not committed nor confessed them yet.

    Jesus was born through the amniotic fluid, which on other post I did is the urine of the baby itself. So if this is all it took, why then did He institute baptism?

    Jesus knew we were born with original sin upon us. He also knew a New Covenant was coming. We would be able to come into the family of God, but something had to be done with this original sin.
    We needed a clean slate upon entering the family of God. This is one of the “sins” baptism “saves” us from. This is what is “washed” from us. We can never enter into God’s presence with any sin on us, at all. Does anyone get this about God??? God gave to us the chance to start over. He also gave to us a Mediator of the New Covenant, Christ. Christ does not mediate our prayers, the Word says He mediates the New Covenant. Total difference here.

    The thief on the Cross: Does this seem unfair to many of us? Yes in our minds unless we trust in the Mercy of Christ. Until our last breath we can choose Jesus and Jesus will come and get us. There are those of us who try and walk this path all of our lives and trying to do all the things required of us. At times this journey is difficult. When we choose Christ we must do what He commands us to do. The things He instituted. This is the difference between us and those who choose Christ at the last moment. We have chosen to walk this faith journey. Did He accept the thief without all the other things we are required to do? Yes He did, because that is how much He loves us. The thief desired in his heart to be with Jesus, to be baptized in his heart from all things. To be washed clean. Jesus did this through mercy. After reading all these comments I am so glad Jesus has this mercy for us all.

    God Bless, SR

    • April says:

      The fact that you just said that Jesus only saves us from “past” sins, just discredited everything you said. Baptism does NOT save you. That’s basically downgrading Christ’s power to save and the point of Him coming! He came to die for our SINS (past, present, and future). If baptism saves us, why would He come to die for us? They had baptism long before He came to earth! No point in engaging any further in this discussion, because you will believe what you want regardless (however false and misleading it may be).

  17. SR says:

    One thing I forgot to add. The “washing away of original sin is necessary for our salvation.” Jesus thought it was, enough to have us baptized for it. God Bless, SR

  18. bfhu says:

    What is a New Testament Christian? I am pretty sure SR is a Whole Bible Christian b/c he is a Catholic Christian.

    • Rhonda Clark says:

      One who believes in the death, burial, and resurecction of Jesus Christ..Transfiguration.

      • bfhu says:

        Just curious….Don’t all Christians believe these things? I am interested in who you have in mind or what denomination you are thinking of as opposed to New Testament Christians.

  19. A. C. F says:

    the problem with April is that she knows texts but not understand them. she speaks of context but then no on to quote the Bile out of context.

  20. A. C. F says:

    correcting errors: April knows verses by heart but does not really understand them. she speaks of context but then goes on to quote out of context. A. C >

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